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FILENAME:	4792_1688_1533
TOPIC#:		341
DATE:		920423
TRANSCRIBER:	nk
UTT_CODER:	stm
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STATIC_ON_A:	1
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REMARKS:         The speakers did not speak distinctly, especially A

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sd          A.1 utt1:  I'm Nevin from Sunnyvale, California. /  

fp          B.2 utt1:  Hi,  /
sd          B.2 utt2: this is Jim Bliss from Minneapolis, Minnesota.  /
fp          B.2 utt3:  How you doing? /  

fp          A.3 utt1:  Pretty good. /  

fp          B.4 utt1:  Good.   /
sd^t          B.4 utt2: {F Uh, } I guess the topic is trial by jury and --   

aa          A.5 utt1:  Yep. /  

+          B.6 utt1:  -- how we should change that or how we would change it.   /
sd          B.6 utt2: {F Uh,  } I'm ready whenever you are. /  

bk          A.7 utt1:  Okay <beep>. /  

qw          @B.8 utt1:  {D So, }  {F uh, } [ what are your, + what are your ] thoughts on the subject there? /  

sv          A.9 utt1:  {D Well } I definitely think, {D like } decisions have to be unanimous. /  

aa          B.10 utt1:  Yeah.  /
aa^r          B.10 utt2: Yeah,  /
sv          B.10 utt3: I think that's probably a good thing. /  

sv          A.11 utt1:  It's probably the safest thing. /  

aa         B.12 utt1:  Yeah.  /
sv          B.12 utt2:  {E I mean, } it's to easy to get a quorum -- /  

aa          A.13 utt1:  Yep <laughter>. /  

sv          B.14 utt1:  -- {C and } simple majority won't do. /  

aa          A.15 utt1:  <Laughter> No.  /
sv          A.15 utt2: {C And } even {D like, } {D you know, } two-thirds majority, {E I mean, } it's <laughter>, -/  

aa          B.16 utt1:  Yeah,  /
%          B.16 utt2: that's, - /
aa          B.16 utt3: yeah,  /
sv          B.16 utt4: quorums are to easy to get. /  

aa          A.17 utt1:  Yep. /  

sv          B.18 utt1:  {C And } there's always [ that, + that ] chance that one or two people could be playing devil's advocate for a good reason, {D you know. } /  

x@         A.19 utt1:  <Laughter>.   *[[slash error]]

%          B.20 utt1:  {C So } [ it's, + it's ] -- -/  

+@         A.21 utt1:  Yeah <sniffing>. /   *[[slash error]]

%          B.22 utt1:  -- definitely  /
h          B.22 utt2: {C but, }  {F uh, } I don't know.   /
sd          B.22 utt3: [ I could, + I couldn't ] believe they suggested that judges should be doing the sentencing. /  

aa          A.23 utt1:  Yeah.  /
sv          A.23 utt2:   (( {D Like } ))  Gives them a little too much power <laughter>. /  

aa          B.24 utt1:  Yeah <laughter>.  /
%          B.24 utt2:  Tha-, - /
sd          B.24 utt3: [ I, + I  ] know of a couple of people at least who would be arguing with that.  Or arguing against that pretty vehemently.  /
%          B.24 utt4:  {C But, }  {F uh, } -/  

sd          A.25 utt1:  {C Plus, } {D you know, } you may be, {D you know, } doing, {D you know, } [ a, + a ] guilty verdict  /
sd          A.25 utt2: {C but } [ it may not be, + {D you know, } it may be ] for technical reasons <laughter>. /  

b          B.26 utt1:  Yeah.  /
sv          B.26 utt2: About the only good thing I would say about  that is [ it  w-, + that it would, ] {F uh, } hurry the process up a bit -- /  

b          A.27 utt1: Yeah. /  

sd          B.28 utt1:  -- {C but } {E I mean } even now [ we've got, + I know  we've got ] plenty of cases out there where people have been wrongly convicted and things like that #  /
%          B.28 utt2: {C and } # --   

aa          A.29 utt1:  # I # know  ((   )) . /  

+          B.30 utt1:  -- that's what the trial by jury. - /
sv          B.30 utt2: {E I mean, } jeez [ if, + if ] the judge was doing it himself, without any checks and balances --   

b          A.31 utt1:  Yeah. /  

+          B.32 utt1:  -- # whose to say. # /  

%          A.33 utt1:  # It, - /
sv          A.33 utt2: there would be # much more of that <laughter>. /  

aa          B.34 utt1:  Yeah <laughter>  /
aa          B.34 utt2: no doubt.  /
qy          B.34 utt3: Are you involved in the legal system at all? /  

nn          A.35 utt1:  No.  /
sd          A.35 utt2: #  (( {C But } [ I + )) . #   

bk          B.36 utt1:  # Okay. # /  

+          A.37 utt1:  I ] tend to follow it [ just to, + just to ] know what's going on. /  

b          B.38 utt1:  Yeah,  /
b^r          B.38 utt2: yeah.  /
sd          B.38 utt3:  I've got some friends that are lawyers  /
%          B.38 utt4: {C so. } -/  

b          A.39 utt1:  Yeah,  /
sd          A.39 utt2: I do too  /
%          A.39 utt3: {C so. } -/  

sd          B.40 utt1:  One of them just got his law degree.  /
sd          B.40 utt2: {C But, }  {F uh, } to tell you the truth, I'm not real familiar with, {F uh, } the system of [ juris-, + jurisprudence ] the way it is right now. /  

aa          A.41 utt1:  # No. # /  

sd          B.42 utt1:  # I # really haven't studied it in depth. /  

aa          A.43 utt1:  Yeah.  /
sd          A.43 utt2: I know a little more about civil cases [ when, + than ] criminal cases.    

b          B.44 utt1:  Yeah. /  

+          A.45 utt1:  Which is, <snorting> - /
sv          A.45 utt2: it's more in how you present it versus, {D you know, } who's right. /  

aa          B.46 utt1:  I'm sure of it.  /
sv          B.46 utt2:  {C Because } a lot of those things, [ [ it's all, + it's in, ] + it's ] largely a matter of viewpoint.    

b          A.47 utt1:  Yep. /  

+          B.48 utt1:  And who can argue their case better. /  

x@         A.49 utt1:  <Laughter>.   *[[slash error]]

sv          B.50 utt1:  {F Uh, } it's kind of weird.  /
h          B.50 utt2:  I don't know,  /
sd          B.50 utt3: [ you + <laughter> I ] always think about watching the PEOPLE'S COURT or something.    

x@         A.51 utt1:  <Laughter>.   *[[slash error]]

+          B.52 utt1:  And how weird those cases get. /  

+@          A.53 utt1:  I know. /   *[[slash error should be 'aa']]

%          B.54 utt1:  It's just, -/  

sd@          A.55 utt1:  When I was, a couple of years ago, involved in some pretrial stuff and -- -/  *[[slash error?? one utt with a.57]]

b          B.56 utt1:  Yeah. /  

sd(^q)          A.57 utt1:  -- {D like, } {D you know, } you [ go + say ] okay, we can't bring up this point because then they're going to, {D you know, } - /
sd          A.57 utt2: the opposition will say this, this and this and <laughter> <throat_clearing>, -/  

b          B.58 utt1:  Uh-huh.  /
sd          B.58 utt2:  {C And } it's like, boy, the stuff that they can twist around --   

b          A.59 utt1:  Yep <laughter>. /  

+          B.60 utt1:  -- is, - /
sv          B.60 utt2: it's pretty amazing. /  

sv          A.61 utt1:  {C And } it's like [ the, + the ] truth isn't really important anymore.  /
%          A.61 utt2:  It's, -/  

aa          B.62 utt1:  Yeah,  /
aa          B.62 utt2: it's not.  /
sd          B.62 utt3: {C And } then you get people [ who, + who ] bring in cases just because they want to bring them up just because. /  

b          A.63 utt1:  Yep. /  

sd          B.64 utt1:  {D Like } [ this, + this ] friend of mine's pretty obnoxious  /
sd          B.64 utt2: {C and } he really gets into suing people. /  

x@         A.65 utt1:  <Laughter>.   *[[slash error]]

sd          B.66 utt1:  {C And so } [ he'll, + he'll ] sue just about anybody just for the chance to get into court,   

sv@         A.67 utt1:  <Laughter>.   *[[slash error]]

+          B.68 utt1:  and argue his case <laughter> {D you know, }  /
%@          B.68 utt2: [ [ [ it's like, +   *[[slash error]]

+@           A.69 utt1:  <Laughter> That sounds like a little abuse of our system  / *[[slash error]]
%          A.69 utt2: {C but, } -/  

+          B.70 utt1:  It is. ] +  It's, ] + it's ] wasting people's time  and the taxpayers' money and  everything else.  /  *[[aa,sv]]
%          B.70 utt2: # {C But, }  {F uh, } # -/  

b          A.71 utt1:  # Yeah  /
%          A.71 utt2: {C but } # it's for the more general, - /
sv          A.71 utt3: people don't want to take responsibility. /  

b          B.72 utt1:  Yeah. /  

%          A.73 utt1:  # {D You know, } it's, # -/  

sv          B.74 utt1:  # [ {C And, } + {C and ] } # most of the time they're looking to place blame.  # {F Uh } # --   

b          A.75 utt1:  # Yep <laughter>. # /  

+          B.76 utt1:  -- and stuff.  /
sd          B.76 utt2:  {D See, } you're from California,  /
qy          B.76 utt3: is that right? /  

ny          A.77 utt1:  {F Uh, } yeah.  /
sd^e          A.77 utt2:  {D Well } originally from Chicago  /
%          A.77 utt3: {C but, } -/  

bk          B.78 utt1:  {F Oh, } okay.  /
sd          B.78 utt2:  I was just thinking  /
qw^d          B.78 utt3: [ I wonder, + I wonder ] [ how, + how  ] the civil system or the court system must differ between there and {D say } where I am in Minneapolis.  #  ((   ))  # /  

%          A.79 utt1:  # I really, # -/  

sd          B.80 utt1:  From what I understand, it's all pretty the same except when you get to Louisiana. /  

o@          A.81 utt1:  <Laughter>.   

sd          B.82 utt1:  {C And } Louisiana is completely different cause it was based on the, - /
^h          B.82 utt2: what is it,  /
sd          B.82 utt3: it's based on common law  /
sd          B.82 utt4: {C and } --   

+@          A.83 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

+          B.84 utt1:  -- the rest of the country is not or something like that. /  

b          A.85 utt1:  Yeah. /  

sv          B.86 utt1:  Pretty strange.  /
sd          B.86 utt2: {C But, }  {F uh, } fortunately I never have had to go in --   

aa          A.87 utt1:  Yeah,  /
aa          A.87 utt2: I haven't either other than, -/  

+          B.88 utt1:  -- [ even, + even ] for jury duty.  /
sd          B.88 utt2:  {C But, }  {F uh, } that friend of mine's telling me that I might have to go in [ for, + {F uh, } as ] a witness.  /
sd          B.88 utt3: He may subpoena me. /  

x@          A.89 utt1:  <Laughter>.   *[[slash error]]

sd          B.90 utt1:  {C So } we'll see what happens.  /
%          B.90 utt2:  {C But, }  {F uh, } -/  

+@         A.91 utt1:  Yeah.  / *[[slash error, should be 'b']]
sd          A.91 utt2: I'm not really sure how we could change the legal system to make it better.   ((   )) . /  

aa          B.92 utt1:  Yeah.  /
%          B.92 utt2: It's, - /
sv          B.92 utt3: there are too many big problems, {D you know. }  /
sd          B.92 utt4: [ There's, + there's ] such a backlog of court cases right now.    

aa          A.93 utt1:  I know. /  

+          B.94 utt1:  {D You know, } to try to get them all [ in + in ] a good time  /
sv          B.94 utt2: {C and } we already have too many lawyers as it is. /  

b          A.95 utt1:  Yeah.  /
sd          A.95 utt2: {C And } if it's criminal cases [ we, + you ] can't put them in jail because there's no room left. /  

aa          B.96 utt1:  Yeah.  /
aa^r         B.96 utt2: Yeah,  /
aa          B.96 utt3: that's true.  /
sd          B.96 utt4:  {C And, }  in fact, they're even letting some go. /  

b          A.97 utt1:  Yeah. /  

sd          B.98 utt1:  [ [ I, +  I, ] + I'm ] originally from Florida  /
sd          B.98 utt2: {C and } [ it's like -- +   

b          A.99 utt1:  {F Huh. } /  

+          B.100 utt1:  -- it seems like ] every year they let out more and more just cause they don't have room for them, {D you know. }   /
sv          B.100 utt2: [ That's not a, + that's not a ] good solution either. /  

aa          A.101 utt1:  Not at all. /  

sd          B.102 utt1:  I'm not real sure what the, -/ 
