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o          A.1 utt1:  Okay, {F uh, }  /
qy          A.1 utt2: {D well } do you, {F uh, }  keep a family budget  /
qrr          A.1 utt3: {C or } do you have some, -/  

nn          @B.2 utt1:  No,  /
sd^e          @B.2 utt2: I don't use a family budget,  /
sd          @B.2 utt3:  my father who is very old has kept one his entire life, /  

b          A.3 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sv          B.4 utt1:  {C and } I probably [ re-, +  rebelled ] against it. /  

x          A.5 utt1:  <Laughter>.   

sv          B.6 utt1:  I probably should have kept one.  /
sd          B.6 utt2:   He keeps every penny that comes in and  goes out --    

ba          A.7 utt1:  {F Oh, } interesting. /  

+          B.8 utt1:  -- on a very strict percentage. /  

b          A.9 utt1:  Yes,  /
sd          A.9 utt2: {D well, } {F uh, } we sort of started  doing it years and years ago  /
sd          A.9 utt3: {C and } my husband started graduate school, when we were  first married,  /
sd          A.9 utt4: {C and } I sort of just got in the habit, I guess.    And, {D you know, } never have gotten out of it.  /
sd          A.9 utt5: I cannot really say that it's a formal budget,  /
sd          A.9 utt6:  it's more just [ [ a, +  a pretty, ] +  {F uh, } a fairly, ] {F uh, } accurate, {F uh, } recording of what I spend,   

b          B.10 utt1:  Right. /  

+          A.11 utt1:  and what I think I am going to have to spend.  /
%          A.11 utt2:   {C And, } {F uh, } -/  

sv          B.12 utt1:  I think it makes much more sense, /  

b          A.13 utt1:  Yeah. /  

sd          B.14 utt1:  {C and } I have recently, {F uh, } <sigh>  gotten out of debt and everything  /
sd          B.14 utt2: {C and } I will probably [ ke-, +  start keeping ] a little better,    

b          A.15 utt1:  Yeah. /  

+          B.16 utt1:  track of it. /  

b^r          A.17 utt1:  Yeah. /  

sd          B.18 utt1:  I just, {F uh, } spent whatever came in  [ and, +  and, ] {F uh, } [ didn-, +  never knew ] what came in and what went out.   

b          A.19 utt1:  Right. /  

+          B.20 utt1:  But, {F uh, } [ just, {D you know, }  like, + about like ] the government runs. /  

b          A.21 utt1:  Yeah <laughter>. /  

%          B.22 utt1:  {F Huh. } /  

sv          A.23 utt1:  That sounds real similar. /  

sv          B.24 utt1:  {D So, } I think it is probably better  to have some sort of [ [ a, +  a, ] +  at least a ] record  /
sd          B.24 utt2: {C but } my dad was so precise,   

%          A.25 utt1:  {F Um. } /  

+          B.26 utt1:  that, {E I mean, } if it said to spend  eleven percent on something that's what it was spent.  /
sd          B.26 utt2:  {C And } --   

ba          A.27 utt1:  {F Oh, } my,  /
b          A.27 utt2: yeah. /  

+          B.28 utt1:  -- that was put over there  /
sd          B.28 utt2:  {C and, } {E I mean, } of course, he is from the depression,  /
sd          B.28 utt3: {C and, {F uh, }   

b          A.29 utt1:  Yeah. /  

+          B.30 utt1:  so, } {F uh, } {D you know, } it's his life, /  

b          A.31 utt1:  Sure. /  

sv          B.32 utt1:  {C but, } {F uh, } [ I would, +  I think it would ]  be smart if somebody would keep, {F uh, } some sort of a plan that works for them. /  

aa          A.33 utt1:  Yeah.  /
sv          A.33 utt2:  I think you are right, {F um, } {F uh, }  /
sd          A.33 utt3:  {D well } [ i-, +  it ] must have been sort of interesting to us  /
sd          A.33 utt4: [ is to, +  {F uh, } it's ] because,   since I have pretty much kept my record books for the last fifteen years, I guess,  I can go back and look  /
sv          A.33 utt5: {C and }  it's real fun to just see how things have changed over the years.  {F Uh, } /  

aa          B.34 utt1:  Yeah,  /
sv          B.34 utt2: it is. /  

%          A.35 utt1:  # For instance, # -/  

sd          B.36 utt1:  # I'm a historian, #  /
sd          B.36 utt2:  {C and } my father had kept them, I think, since nineteen twenty-seven  /
sd          B.36 utt3: [ {C and, } +  {F uh, }   

ba          A.37 utt1:  My goodness. /  

+          B.38 utt1:  {C but } ] he burned the ones from twenty-seven  to fi-,  /
sd          B.38 utt2: I could not believe he did that,  /
sd          B.38 utt3: [ {C but then, } +   

ba          A.39 utt1:  {F Oh } dear. /  

+          B.40 utt1:  {C so, } ] I took the ones from fifty-two on to the present, /  

b          A.41 utt1:  Yes. /  

sv          B.42 utt1:  {C but, } [ to look, +  to have looked ]  back into the twenties, thirties and  forties, it would have been fantastic,   

aa          A.43 utt1:  {F Oh } yes. /  

+          B.44 utt1:  to see that.  /
%          B.44 utt2: {C But, } {F uh, } -/  

sd          A.45 utt1:  {D Well, } as a matter of fact, {F uh, }  my mother was going through some things [ not lon-, +  not long ] ago, {A I guess it has been  a couple of years ago, } <throat_clearing> in an old trunk that she had.  /
sd          A.45 utt2:   {C And } she came upon [ a, +  a ] budget book that she had back in the thirties.  {F Uh, }   

b          B.46 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

+          A.47 utt1:  when they, - /
sd          A.47 utt2: it was the late, {D well } - /
sd          A.47 utt3:  I guess [ it would have been, +   {A I will take that back, }  it must have been ] in the forties,  because they had been married, {F uh, } probably fifteen years at the time.  <sigh>  /
sv          A.47 utt4:  {C And, } <throat_clearing> it was just, {F uh, } fascinating to see how little  things cost,  /
sv         A.47 utt5: {E I mean } # [ it was, # +    

b          B.48 utt1:  # Oh. # /  

+         A.49 utt1:  it was ] just almost laughable in some  instances that, {D you know, } - /
sd          A.49 utt2: of course, it's all relative, of course, /  

aa          B.50 utt1:  I know. #  /
aa          B.50 utt2: Right. # /  

sv          A.51 utt1:  # {C but, } {F uh, } # never the less  it was fun to see those figures next to, {D you know, } - /
sd          A.51 utt2: for a [ pr-, + pair ] of shoes was  {D like } five dollars  /
%          A.51 utt3: {C and } <laughter>, -/  

aa          B.52 utt1:  I know,  /
sd          B.52 utt2: {D well } even in nineteen sixty-three, - /
sd          B.52 utt3:  I found a record that I had, {F uh, }  {A I travel in Europe a lot } and [ I, +   what I ] had paid for hotels. /  

%          A.53 utt1:  {F Um. } /  

sd          B.54 utt1:  {C And } a similar hotel in Paris is  two hundred dollars a night now. /  

b          A.55 utt1:  Oh. /  

sd          B.56 utt1:  {C And } I paid, {F uh, } {F oh, }  between four and five dollars,   

ba          A.57 utt1:  {F Oh, } isn't that,   

+          B.58 utt1:  in nineteen sixty. /  

+          A.59 utt1:  something. /  

sv          B.60 utt1:  {C And } that's really crazy,  /
sd          B.60 utt2:  {C cause } that's about thirty years ago. /  

b          A.61 utt1:  Really.  /
aa          A.61 utt2: {F Oh, } [ that is, +  that is ]  [ really, +  really ] something. /  

sd          B.62 utt1:  {F Oh. }  {C But, } of course,  it's just what the market will bear. /  

aa          A.63 utt1:  That's true. /  

bf          B.64 utt1:  If people will pay two hundred then why charge # ten. # /  

aa          A.65 utt1:  # Yeah, # /  

%          B.66 utt1:  {D You know, } #  ((   )) , # /  

aa          A.67 utt1:  # [ that's, +  # that's ] right.  /
sd          A.67 utt2:  [ That's, exa-, + that's ] just good old economics working. /  

aa          B.68 utt1:  Right,  /
aa^r          B.68 utt2: right. /  

sd          A.69 utt1:  <Laughter> {D Well, } {F uh, } we have  tried to, {F uh, } instill [ some, +  some ] sense [ of, +  {F uh, } of ] budgeting in our kids,  /
sd          A.69 utt2:  {C but } our two children are just, {F uh, } as, {F um, } unlike as night and day.  /
sd          A.69 utt3:  {C And, }   

b          B.70 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

+          A.71 utt1:  our son could care less about a budget,  /
sd          A.71 utt2:  {C and } our daughter watches her pennies so closely,   

x          B.72 utt1:  <Noise>.   

+          A.73 utt1:  that <sigh> [ she almost, +  she almost, ]  just sounds like your father,  /
sd          A.73 utt2: {E I mean, } she has everything planned so closely,   

b          B.74 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

+          A.75 utt1:  that if,   

b^r          B.76 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

+          A.77 utt1:  something goes wrong, it just  throws her for a loop <laughter>. /  

b          B.78 utt1:  Yeah.  /
sd          B.78 utt2:  {D Well, } then you never know  how they will, - /
%          B.78 utt3: one, - /
sd          B.78 utt4: they may flip flop when they,   

aa          A.79 utt1:  Yes. /  

+          B.80 utt1:  get to be, {F uh, } [ [ ol-, +    

aa          A.81 utt1:  Right,  /
aa          A.81 utt2: yes. /  

+          B.82 utt1:  we-, ] +  older. ]  /
sd          B.82 utt2:  The other one may be very careful, /  

aa          A.83 utt1:  Yes. /  

sd          B.84 utt1:  {C and } she may marry somebody  /
sv          B.84 utt2:  {C and, } of course, it would be good because, [ it +   you ] marry somebody a little loose, then she will have that stability of watching, {F uh. } /  

b          A.85 utt1:  Yeah. /  

sv          B.86 utt1:  You should have one [ [ in the, +  in the, ] +    

aa          A.87 utt1:  I think that is true, #  /
%          A.87 utt2: I, {F uh, } - /
sd          A.87 utt3: {C and, } #   

+          B.88 utt1:  # in the ] house. #  /
sd          B.88 utt2: {C And } I think, -/  

+          A.89 utt1:  I think that is probably what happened  in our house  /
sd          A.89 utt2: {C because } I think my husband was not quite as, {F uh, } good at   saving and so on before we got married  /
sd          A.89 utt3: {C and } [ I was, +  <sigh> I was ]  really diligent about that.  /
sd          A.89 utt4: I was putting money aside [ and + ] [ when, +  before ] I was married, {D you know, }  when I was working out of college  /
sd          A.89 utt5: {C and, }   

b          B.90 utt1:  Yeah. /  

+          A.91 utt1:  {F uh, } that really paid off.  /
sd          A.91 utt2:  Because when time came for him to go back to graduate school, we were [ in, +  in ]  fairly good shape financially as far as not having any major debts.  /
%          A.91 utt3: {C And, } -/  

aa          B.92 utt1:  Yeah,  /
sd          B.92 utt2: that's about the way it is here, /  

b          A.93 utt1:  Yeah. /  

sv          B.94 utt1:  if it had not been for my wife,  I would have probably been in debtor's prison,   

x          A.95 utt1:  <Laughter>.   

+          B.96 utt1:  if we had one. /  

x          A.97 utt1:  </Laughter>  #  ((  )) . #

qw          B.98 utt1:  # {D So } {C but, } # what does you husband do now? /  

sd          A.99 utt1:  {F Uh, } he is an engineer,  /
sd          A.99 utt2: he is, {F uh, }   

bk          B.100 utt1:  Oh. /  

+          A.101 utt1:  an electrical engineer.  And, in fact, went through, {F uh, } many years of graduate school {C and } got his P H D  /
sd          A.101 utt2: {C so } we,   

%          B.102 utt1:  {F Um. } /  

+          A.103 utt1:  had a [ lot of +  lot of ] years of budgeting <laughter>. /  

aa          B.104 utt1:  {F Oh, } yeah.  /
sv          B.104 utt2:  You have,   

%          A.105 utt1:  {C And, } {D you know, } -/  

+          B.106 utt1:  to do it when,   

b          A.107 utt1:  Yeah. /  

+          B.108 utt1:  you are in school. /  

%          A.109 utt1:  When you, -/  

sd          B.110 utt1:  My wife is still in school getting her doctorate, /  

b          A.111 utt1:  {F uh, } yes. /  

%          B.112 utt1:  {C and } it, {F uh, } -/  

sd          A.113 utt1:  {D Well, } [ I'm working, +    

sd          B.114 utt1:  {C and } I have got, -/  

+          A.115 utt1:  I'm working ] on my masters degree now,  /
sd          A.115 utt2:  {C so, } in fact, this last year we had three,  /
sd          A.115 utt3: both of the children were in college,  /
sd          A.115 utt4:  our son has a year left  /
sd          A.115 utt5: {C and } our daughter graduated this year  /
sd          A.115 utt6:  {C and } I'm just about ready to finish my masters degree, /  

%          B.116 utt1:  {F Um } <noise>. /  

sd          A.117 utt1:  {C so } we have had, {F uh, } once again,  {D you know, } [ some really, +  a real ] lean year for us. /  

aa          B.118 utt1:  {F Oh, } [ I, +  I ] know.  /
sd          B.118 utt2:  We # had three, #   

%          A.119 utt1:  # {C But, } {F uh, } # -/  

+          B.120 utt1:  in college, plus my wife,  /
sd          B.120 utt2: {C so } that was four. /  

b          A.121 utt1:  Yeah. /  

sd          B.122 utt1:  {C So } we were both in the same, -/  

b          A.123 utt1:  Yeah,  /
b^r          A.123 utt2: yeah,  /
sd          A.123 utt3: you know exactly [ what it, +    

b          B.124 utt1:  Yeah. /  

+          A.125 utt1:  what it's ] like then. /  

b^r          B.126 utt1:  Yeah. /  

%          A.127 utt1:  {C And } it's, {F uh, } <sigh> - /
%          A.127 utt2:  which you learn, - /
sd          A.127 utt3: I guess you figure that that is an investment that is, {F uh, } really [ a in-, +  invaluable. ] /  

bf          B.128 utt1:  That is the best one. /  

ny          A.129 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

b          B.130 utt1:  Yeah,  /
sv          B.130 utt2: with education # you can't, #   

b          A.131 utt1:  # Yeah. # /  

+          B.132 utt1:  take that away from you. /  

aa          A.133 utt1:  That is right,  /
sv          A.133 utt2: {D so } [ it's, +  it's ]  one that you can live through.  /
sd          A.133 utt3: {C And } I,   

b          B.134 utt1:  Right. /  

+          A.135 utt1:  think that that's the way that we looked  at it in our beginnings when my husband was in graduate school that there was a light at the end of that tunnel.  {D You know, }   

aa          B.136 utt1:  Sure. /  

+          A.137 utt1:  [ that + that ] it was worth it to save  and to not have, {F uh, } something and, {F uh, } in return know that something better was going  to be at the end of it  /
sv          A.137 utt2: {C so } --   

aa          B.138 utt1:  Yeah,  /
sv          B.138 utt2: that's true. /  

+          A.139 utt1:  -- {F uh, } it really makes it easier  /
fc          A.139 utt2:  {C but, } {F uh, } <sigh> {D well, } I have enjoyed talking with you, Jerry. /

fc          @@B.140 utt1:  I have enjoyed talking with you, Kathy. /

sd          A.141 utt1:  {C And, } [ I, +  I ] wish I could  hear more about your historian part of your life, because that sounds really fascinating to me.  /
sd          A.141 utt2:   # I am interested in that. # /  

sd          B.142 utt1:  # {D Well, } if I # had your address,  I would send you, - /
sd          B.142 utt2: I am also in the travel business,  /
sd          B.142 utt3: I --   

b          A.143 utt1:  Oh. /  

+          B.144 utt1:  -- do tours  /
sd          B.144 utt2: {C and } I can take some  real great tours to Europe.  /
sd          B.144 utt3: {C So, } {F uh, }   

ba          A.145 utt1:  {F Oh, } wow.  /
sd          A.145 utt2: {D Well, } # [ my, +  my ] husband, #   

+          B.146 utt1:  # if you. # -/  

+          A.147 utt1:  and I just went there last year,  /
sd          A.147 utt2:  {F um, } {D actually } we did not take a tour,  /
sd         A.147 utt3: [ we, +  we ] were in England [ and, +  and, ]  {F uh, } went to Ireland and Scotland and just rented cars and,    

b          B.148 utt1:  Yeah. /  

+          A.149 utt1:  did it on our own  /
%          A.149 utt2:  {C but, } {F uh, } {F um, } I, - /
sv          A.149 utt3:  that sounds interesting.  /
qy          A.149 utt4: Is your business in Dallas then? /  

ny          B.150 utt1:  Yeah,  /
sd^e          B.150 utt2: it's here in Dallas. /  

bk          A.151 utt1:  Okay. /  

sd          B.152 utt1:  In the Quorum.  /
sd          B.152 utt2: {D So, } [ I, +  I'm ]  Jerry Hammond  /
sd          B.152 utt3: {C and } I'm out at Brookhaven College,  /
sd          B.152 utt4: {C so } you could just holler at me there. /  

qy^d          A.153 utt1:  {F Oh, } you are kidding. /  

ny          B.154 utt1:  Yeah. /  

sd          A.155 utt1:  {D Well, } I'm going to be teaching  at Brookhaven in the fall <laughter>. /  

b          B.156 utt1:  All right,  /
qw          B.156 utt2: what is your last name? /  

sd          A.157 utt1:  Kuenzer, K U E N Z E R,  /
sd          A.157 utt2: {C and } I'm, -/  

qy^d          B.158 utt1:  K U E N, /  

ny          A.159 utt1:  Uh-huh,  /
sd^2          A.159 utt2: Z E R.  /
sd          A.159 utt3:  # {C And, } I will be, #   

ba          B.160 utt1:  # {D Well } good,  /
sd          B.160 utt2: I will, # -/  

+          A.161 utt1:  in the communications department teaching,  {F uh, } English One Oh One to, - /
sd          A.161 utt2: # I have a couple of sections. # /  

sd          B.162 utt1:  # {F Oh, } {D well } I know Zack Miller real well. # /  

b          A.163 utt1:  Yes,  /
b          A.163 utt2: yeah,  /
sd          A.163 utt3: that's the guy who hired me,  /
%          A.163 utt4: yes  ((   )) . /  

ba          B.164 utt1:  {D Well } wonderful,  /
sd          B.164 utt2:  I will look you up in the fall then. /  

ba          A.165 utt1:  Fantastic. /  

b          B.166 utt1:  Okay. /  

fc          A.167 utt1:  {D Well, } [ it's been good ta-, +  it's been a good type ] conversation. /  

fc          B.168 utt1:  # Bye-bye. # /  

fc          A.169 utt1:  # Bye-bye. # / 
