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fp          A.1 utt1:  Hi, this is Judy,  /
sd          A.1 utt2: I'm from Maryland <noise>  /
sd          A.1 utt3:  {C and } I'm in California visiting right now. /  

fp          B.2 utt1:  Hi, Judy.  /
sd          B.2 utt2:  This is Norma,  /
sd          B.2 utt3: {C and } I live in Virginia <laughter>. /  

b          A.3 utt1:  {F Oh, } okay. /  

sv^t          B.4 utt1:  We got a great topic <laughter>. /  

aa          A.5 utt1:  <Laughter>  I know.  /
sd          A.5 utt2:  I'm sitting here going {F oh, } dear <laughter>. /  

x          B.6 utt1:  <Laughter>.   

qy^t          A.7 utt1:  <Laughter>  Should we give it a try? /  

na^t          B.8 utt1:  I guess we might as well <laughter>. /  

b          @A.9 utt1:  Okay <laughter>.  /
b          @A.9 utt2:  Okay. /  

b^m          B.10 utt1:  Okay. /  

%          A.11 utt1:  {D Well, } {F um, } {D so } <laughter>, -/  

ad          B.12 utt1:  Let you start <laughter>, /  

qw          A.13 utt1:  <Laughter>  {D So, } {D so } what changes have you seen? <laughter>. /  

qw^d^m          B.14 utt1:  What changes, {F uh, } /  

x          A.15 utt1:  # <Laughter>.  #   

sd          B.16 utt1:  # I # guess the biggest, - /
qw^d          B.16 utt2: I don't know your age Judy,  /
sd          B.16 utt3: {C but, } {F uh, } in my lifetime the biggest is in more women working,   

%          A.17 utt1:  {D Well, } {D actually, }   

+          B.18 utt1:  # definitely.  # /  

aa          A.19 utt1:  # that's # what I was thinking too. /  

b          B.20 utt1:  Yeah. /  

sd          A.21 utt1:  {C And, } {F um, } {D you know, } just to jump ahead a little bit - /
ad          A.21 utt2: {C but } then we can back up.  /
qy^d          A.21 utt3: Is it, perhaps, woman in politics is for the future. /  

aa^m          B.22 utt1:  [ For the fut-, + ] {D well, } yeah. /  

sd          A.23 utt1:  {C Because } I don't see that really yet in positions of power, really. /  

aa          B.24 utt1:  Right.  /
"          B.24 utt2:  I don't see them in positions of power in corporation either  <laughter>  -- /  

b          A.25 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          B.26 utt1:  -- not many. /  

aa          A.27 utt1:  That's true.  /
aa^r          A.27 utt2: That's true.  /
qr          A.27 utt3:  {F Um, } do you work in private corporation or  government? /  

no          B.28 utt1:  I did work in government. /  

bk          A.29 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          B.30 utt1:  {C And } before that I worked in a bank for eight years. /  

b          A.31 utt1:  Uh-huh.  /
b^m          A.31 utt2:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          B.32 utt1:  {C And } now I'm retired. /  

%          A.33 utt1:  {F Oh, } you, -/  

x          B.34 utt1:  <Laughter>.   

sv          A.35 utt1:  <Laughter>  That's the best status. /  

aa          B.36 utt1:  That's right. /  

ny          A.37 utt1:  Yes, {F um, }  /
sd          A.37 utt2: [ I don't, + I see, ] {F um, } - /
%          A.37 utt3: {C and, } -/  

qw          B.38 utt1:  Which do you work in, {E excuse me? } /  

sd          A.39 utt1:  A government. /  

sd^m          B.40 utt1:  A government. /  

sd          A.41 utt1:  {C And } I work in academia before. /  

b          B.42 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          A.43 utt1:  {C And, } {F um, } {D actually } there's one, {F um, } woman in our, {A I don't know what you'd call it, } {F uh, } institute who is a manager  /
sd          A.43 utt2: {C and, } {E I mean, } in a since, perhaps, {F um, } [ a  lot of, + she gets protected a lot ] because it's almost like a token. /  

b          B.44 utt1:  Oh. /  

sd          A.45 utt1:  [ {C And, } + {C and } ] it's sort of unfortunate because, I think that they don't accept her technically  /
sd          A.45 utt2: [ {C and, } + {C but } ] she's a good paper pusher. /  

b          B.46 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          A.47 utt1:  {C And } it's in a technical position really.  /
sd          A.47 utt2:  {C And } {D you know } she should be more technical for what she does. /  

b          B.48 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sv          A.49 utt1:  {C And } I think that's sort of unfortunate,   

b          B.50 utt1:  # Right. # /  

+          A.51 utt1:  # because # [ it doesn't, + it doesn't ] really help the cause in the long run <laughter>. /  

x          B.52 utt1:  <Laughter>.   

sd          A.53 utt1:  {C But, } {F um, } {D you know, } I don't know.  /
sv          A.53 utt2: [ {C And, } + {C and } ] teaching I still see that that's where most of the woman are. /  

qy^d          B.54 utt1:  In teaching. /  

na^m          A.55 utt1:  In teaching.  /
sv          A.55 utt2:  [ {C And, } + {D you know, } {C and } ] it's always been that way. /  

sv          B.56 utt1:  {C But } not at the college level. /  

aa          A.57 utt1:  Right.  /
%          A.57 utt2:  Not, {D well, } -/  

sd          B.58 utt1:  We live in a college town  /
sd          B.58 utt2: {C and } I worked at the university for a while. /  

b          A.59 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          B.60 utt1:  {C And } [ there are, + there are ] woman there  /
sd          B.60 utt2: {C but } they're not the high paid --   

aa          A.61 utt1:  Uh-huh.  /
"          A.61 utt2:  Not department,   

+          B.62 utt1:  -- # professors that, #   

+          A.63 utt1:  # chairmen.  # /  

+          B.64 utt1:  the men are <laughter>. /  

aa          A.65 utt1:  Yeah.  /
sd          A.65 utt2:  Not the deans and things like that. /  

sd          B.66 utt1:  {D Well, } they did have one woman dean  /
sd          B.66 utt2: [ {C but, } + {C and } ] I guess [ she, + she ] probably did very well  /
sd          B.66 utt3: {C but } that's the minority. /  

b          A.67 utt1:  Uh-huh.  /
b^m          A.67 utt2:  Uh-huh.  /
qr^d          A.67 utt3:  {F Um, } {C and } do you think it's because women aren't qualified [ [ or, + or just don't, ] + or don't ] want the job or just aren't hired for the jobs. /  

ng          B.68 utt1:  None of the above <laughter>. /  

x          A.69 utt1:  <Laughter>.   

sv          B.70 utt1:  I think they are extremely well qualified. /  

b          A.71 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          B.72 utt1:  {F Uh, } I don't know how, -/  

sv          A.73 utt1:  They're just not selected somehow. /  

aa          B.74 utt1:  I think they're not selected, /  

b          A.75 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          B.76 utt1:  {C And, } of course, at this university, {F uh, } - /
sd          B.76 utt2: [ this, + it's ] a big engineering school  /
sd          B.76 utt3: {C and } I don't think there are many women in the engineering college. /  

b          A.77 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sv          B.78 utt1:  {C And } that's where the high pay is. /  

b          A.79 utt1:  {F Oh, } okay.  /
qw^d          A.79 utt2:  {C But } I'm wondering how many women actually major in engineering.  /
sd          A.79 utt3: [ Act-, + {C but,  } ] {D you know, } I say that  /
sd          A.79 utt4: {C but } yet I know too. /  

sv          B.80 utt1:  Quite an, - /
sv          B.80 utt2: {D well, } I think there are more than there used to be. /  

aa          A.81 utt1:  Yeah,  /
"          A.81 utt2: I'm sure there are, yeah. /  

sv          B.82 utt1:  {C But } they may not go into teaching, /  

b          A.83 utt1:  Uh-huh.  /
b          A.83 utt2:  Yeah,  /
sd          A.83 utt3: {E I mean, } the two that I know obviously are not in teaching  /
sd          A.83 utt4: {C but, }   

b          B.84 utt1:  # Uh-huh. # /  

+          A.85 utt1:  # {F um, } # [ [ it's, + it-, ] + I ] suppose in a since I was surprised when they told me they majored in engineering.  /
sd          A.85 utt2:  I don't know why.  /
sd          A.85 utt3:  [ I, + {C but } I ] don't know that many men that have majored in engineering,   

b          B.86 utt1:  # Uh-huh. # /  

+          A.87 utt1:  # either. #  /
sd          A.87 utt2: {E I mean } [ it's just, + because I'm in the humanities it's just, ] -/  

b          B.88 utt1:  # {F Oh, } uh-huh <laughter>. # /  

sd          A.89 utt1:  # <Laughter>  {D You know, } # [ it's not, +   

b          B.90 utt1:  # Yeah. # /  

+          A.91 utt1:  # it's # not ] something that I tend to hear about. /  

b          B.92 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

b          A.93 utt1:  {C But, } {F um, } yeah,  /
%          A.93 utt2: it's a, -/  

sd          B.94 utt1:  {D Well, } I met one one day that, {F uh, } had just joined the faculty in agricultural engineering  /
sd          B.94 utt2: {C and } that really surprised me. /  

ba          A.95 utt1:  {F Oh, } that's interesting, /  

b          B.96 utt1:  # Uh-huh. # /  

b          A.97 utt1:  # Yeah.  /
b^r          A.97 utt2:  # Yeah,  /
sv          A.97 utt3: {E I mean, } [ I, + I ] suppose [ that, + that ] it's difficult to really say why because, {F uh, } {D you know, } [ there, + there ] probably are a limited number of women who are interested in the subject and well qualified. /  

b          B.98 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sv          A.99 utt1:  {C And } maybe there aren't, {D you know, } <laughter>.  /
sv          A.99 utt2:  Maybe they don't apply for the job. /  

sd          B.100 utt1:  I don't know.  /
sd          B.100 utt2:  [ I don't, + I don't ] know how many go on and get a P H D in engineering. /  

b          A.101 utt1:  Right.  /
b^r          A.101 utt2:  Right.  /
sv          A.101 utt3:  Which could be, {D you know, } [ part-, + partially ] cultural anyway. /  

aa          B.102 utt1:  That could be.  /
"          B.102 utt2:  That's true. /  

sv          A.103 utt1:  So that it might be circularly being the same problem [ of, + of ] expecting not to get hired for the good jobs anyway, /  

b          B.104 utt1:  # Uh-huh. # /  

qw^d          A.105 utt1:  # {C so } # why spend your time getting qualified. /  

aa          B.106 utt1:  That's right. /  

sv          A.107 utt1:  [ [ It's a, + it's a rough <laughter>, ] +   

x          B.108 utt1:  <Laughter>.   

+          A.109 utt1:  It's [ a rough, a rough ] ] situation.  /
sd          A.109 utt2:  {F Um, } {C and } I guess [ what I, + what, [ ama-, + amazes ] ] me is the number of men who are willing to stay home with the kids  /
sd          A.109 utt3: [ {C or } + {C and, } ] in our case we actually have one father who works part-time, a six,   

b          B.110 utt1:  # Oh. # /  

+          A.111 utt1:  # hour # day so that he can take the  [ kids, + kids ] or kid, I'm not sure,   

ba          B.112 utt1:  # That's interesting, # /  

+          A.113 utt1:  # to school # in the morning and be home when the children or child,   

x          B.114 utt1:  # <Laughter>.  #   

+          A.115 utt1:  # comes # home in the afternoon. /  

qy^d          B.116 utt1:  [ Is it, + {F uh, } was she ] the major wage earner, /  

%          A.117 utt1:  # This is, {F uh, } # -/  

qy          B.118 utt1:  # {E I mean, } did # she earn more money that he did  /
qrr          B.118 utt2: {C or } --   

no          A.119 utt1:  {D Well, } {D see, }   

+          B.120 utt1:  -- # {D you know. } # -/  

+          A.121 utt1:  # I don't know # anything about the family  /
sd          A.121 utt2: [ {C but, } + {C but, } ] yeah,  /
sd          A.121 utt3: I would imagine she might.  {F Um, }  /
sd          A.121 utt4: {C because } [ he's, + {D you know, } he's ] a really nice guy  /
sd          A.121 utt5: {C but } he did say that because he was in the humanities and he's now working in more of a technical situation that he had trouble finding a job. /  

b          B.122 utt1:  {F Oh, } uh-huh. /  

sd          A.123 utt1:  So that [ maybe he, + {D you know, } maybe she ] was more qualified.  /
sd          A.123 utt2:  [ {C But, } + {C but } ] still it's interesting that, {D you know, } [ he, +   

b          B.124 utt1:  # Uh-huh. # /  

+          A.125 utt1:  # he's ] # been doing this evidently for [ a, + a ] good number of years. /  

x          B.126 utt1:  <Laughter>.   

sv          A.127 utt1:  [ {C And, } + {F uh, } {C but } ] it's unusual. /  

sd          B.128 utt1:  {F Uh, } I know one, {F uh, } gal  /
sd          B.128 utt2: [ that's, + she's ] a C P A,  /
sd          B.128 utt3: {C and } her husband is a house husband. /  

b          A.129 utt1:  Uh-huh.  /
b          A.129 utt2:  Yeah  /
%          A.129 utt3: I, -/  

sd          B.130 utt1:  {C And then } they had a child  /
sd          B.130 utt2: {C and } [ he, + he ] was still the house husband.  /
sd          B.130 utt3: He wasn't,   

qy^d          A.131 utt1:  # {F Oh, } he was, #   

+          B.132 utt1:  # going to, # -/  

+          A.133 utt1:  even before they had children. /  

ny          B.134 utt1:  Uh-huh.  /
sd^e          B.134 utt2:  Even before that,  /
o          B.134 utt3: right. /  

sv          A.135 utt1:  {F Oh, } {D now } [ that, + that ] really is <laughter>. -/  

sd          B.136 utt1:  She was a little perturbed about it. /  

qy^d          A.137 utt1:  {F Oh, } she was. /  

na          B.138 utt1:  At one time. /  

b          A.139 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          B.140 utt1:  [ I don't know how, + {A she's moved away. }  I don't know how ] it is now  /
sd          B.140 utt2: {C but } I know, {F uh, } [ we're, + we ] all went out one evening  /
sd          B.140 utt3: [ {C and } <lipsmack>  after work + {C and, } ] {F uh, } [ she was, + there was ] an underlying note she was perturbed about it. /  

b          A.141 utt1:  Uh-huh.  /
b          A.141 utt2:  Yeah,  /
sv          A.141 utt3: {E I mean } I think [ [ that would be, + it would, ] + it would ] strike one as strange if there's no reason for --   

b          B.142 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

+          A.143 utt1:  -- somebody to stay home that, -/  

sv          B.144 utt1:  I don't think there was a valid reason <laughter>. /  

aa          A.145 utt1:  Yeah  /
"          A.145 utt2: <laughter>.  That's true. /  

sd(^q)          B.146 utt1:  Because her statement was, I told him let's face it  /
sd^q          B.146 utt2: you're a house husband  /
sd^q          B.146 utt3: [ that's what your going, + that's what you'll ] always be. /  

x          A.147 utt1:  <Laughter>.   

x          B.148 utt1:  <Laughter>.   

sv          A.149 utt1:  [ {C But, } + {C but } ] yet, {D you know } we have to think about that  /
sv          A.149 utt2: {C because } [ if, + if ] she had offered to stay home we wouldn't have thought anything stran-, -/  

sv          B.150 utt1:  She wouldn't have be, - /
aa          B.150 utt2: that's right.  /
aa          B.150 utt3:  Uh-huh,  /
aa^r          B.150 utt4: that's right. /  

sv          A.151 utt1:  # {D So, } {D so } we're, #   

sv          B.152 utt1:  # [ it would, + it # wouldn't ] have been a  (( doubter )) . -/  

+          A.153 utt1:  carrying our own prejudice <laughter>. /  

aa          B.154 utt1:  <Laughter>  Uh-huh.  /
"          B.154 utt2:  That's true. /  

b          A.155 utt1:  <Laughter>  Yeah.  /
ba          A.155 utt2:  {F Oh, } gee. /  

x          B.156 utt1:  <Laughter>.   

sv          A.157 utt1:  I guess we can't win <laughter>. /  

aa          B.158 utt1:  Huh-uh.  /
b          B.158 utt2: Oh. /  

sv          A.159 utt1:  Because [ [ if, + yeah, if, ] + if ] somebody does if and breaks tradition you're  surprised.  /
%          A.159 utt2:  {C But } if <laughter>. -/  

aa          B.160 utt1:  That's right <laughter>. /  

ba          A.161 utt1:  {F Oh, } dear.  /
%          A.161 utt2: {D So, } {D so, } -/  

sv          B.162 utt1:  I think maybe more men would like to be if they <laughter>  --   

^2          A.163 utt1:  If they could get away with it <laughter>. /  

+          B.164 utt1:  -- weren't put down so badly <laughter>. /  

ba          A.165 utt1:  <Laughter>  {F Oh, } dear.  /
sv^t          A.165 utt2:  {D You know, } {D well, } {F uh, } {E I mean } [ it, + it's ] an interesting topic  /
sd^t          A.165 utt3: yet I must say it's not one that I've given a great deal [ of, +   

b          B.166 utt1:  # Huh-uh. # /  

+          A.167 utt1:  # of ] # thought to  /
sd          A.167 utt2: {C but, } {F uh, }   

nn          B.168 utt1:  # No,  /
sd          B.168 utt2: I didn't. # /  

+          A.169 utt1:  # in the past.  /
sv          A.169 utt2:  # It's, {F um, } one of those things that, {D you know, } seems to happen. /  

qw          B.170 utt1:  How do you feel your career has gone? /  

sd          A.171 utt1:  [ I don't, + I don't ] feel for the most part that I've been discriminated against. /  

qy^d          B.172 utt1:  You don't.  /
ba          B.172 utt2: That's good. /  

nn          A.173 utt1:  No.  /
sd^e          A.173 utt2:  I was a department chairman.  /
sd          A.173 utt3: [ I, + {C but } I ] don't like administration. /  

sd          B.174 utt1:  Oh. /  

sv          A.175 utt1:  {D So } then I'm, {F uh, } {F uh, } probably a poor example, although, {D you know, } I was an administrator and could still be I suppose. /  

b          B.176 utt1:  Uh-huh.  /
sd          B.176 utt2:  I was discriminated against very definitely in banking. /  

b          A.177 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

ba          B.178 utt1:  It was terrible. /  

qy^d          A.179 utt1:  {F Oh, } really.  /
qy^d          A.179 utt2:  [ You were, + you were ] more ambitious than they would let you be? /  

na          B.180 utt1:  Right.  /
sd          B.180 utt2:  {C And } the money didn't go with the positions. /  

b          A.181 utt1:  Yeah.  /
b^r          A.181 utt2:  Yeah.  /
%          A.181 utt3:  {D Well, } I would, -/  

sd          B.182 utt1:  The [ promotion, + promotions ] came  /
sd          B.182 utt2: {C but } [ there wer-, + there ] comparable pay for the responsibility. /  

b          A.183 utt1:  {F Uh, } /  

sd          B.184 utt1:  {C And } I was told you don't need as much pay as I have because your children are older than my children,  /
sd          B.184 utt2: {C or } your husband has a good job  /
%          B.184 utt3: {C and } <laughter>. -/  

ba          A.185 utt1:  {F Oh, } jeez. /  

x          B.186 utt1:  <Laughter>.   

b          A.187 utt1:  Yeah,  /
sd          A.187 utt2: {D actually } in a since I suppose, when I was hired into the government,  {F um, } [ at, + ] I was taken advantage of  /
aa          A.187 utt3: [ {C and, } + {C and } ] that's true that, {D you know, } sometimes other people [ get, + get ] higher increments,   

sv          B.188 utt1:  # I thi-, - /
b          B.188 utt2: uh-huh. # /  

+          A.189 utt1:  # for, {D you know, } # even, -/  

sv          B.190 utt1:  I think we, {F uh, } are programmed to just take it <laughter>  --   

b          A.191 utt1:  Right. /  

+          B.192 utt1:  -- as it comes. /  

aa          A.193 utt1:  Right.  /
"          A.193 utt2:  That's probably true.  /
sd          A.193 utt3:  [ I hadn't, + I hadn't ] thought about it because I do like what I do  /
sd          A.193 utt4: {C and, }   

b          B.194 utt1:  # Uh-huh. # /  

+          A.195 utt1:  # {F uh, } # I just sort of ignore the administrative,   

b          B.196 utt1:  # Uh-huh. # /  

+          A.197 utt1:  # part # of it since I didn't like it [ when, + when ] I had to do it. /  

x          B.198 utt1:  <Laughter>.   

sv         A.199 utt1:  {D So } [ I, + I ] figure, {D you know, } [ nobody must, + {F uh, } nobody must ] like it.  /
sv          A.199 utt2:  It must be a rotten job for everybody <laughter>. /  

x          B.200 utt1:  <Laughter>.   

sd          A.201 utt1:  {C But } I know some people thrive on it <laughter>.  /
ba          A.201 utt2: {F Oh, } gee.  /
sd          A.201 utt3:  {D Well, } since I don't have a whole lot more to say on the topic. -/  

sd          B.202 utt1:  I don't, -/ 
