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fp          A.1 utt1:  Hi Pat. /  

fp          B.2 utt1:  Hi.  /
sd          B.2 utt2:  One of the interesting things  that I have considered about the role change for women is that women of [ my age, +  my generation, ] were trained and  taught and brought up to be the LEAVE IT TO BEAVER housewives. /  

b          A.3 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sv          B.4 utt1:  {C But } we are not living in that world. /  

aa          A.5 utt1:  We are certainly not,  /
sv          A.5 utt2: our families have changed. /  

b          B.6 utt1:  Uh-huh,  /
b^m          B.6 utt2: families,  /
b          B.6 utt3: uh-huh. /  

sv          A.7 utt1:  Society has changed. /  

aa          B.8 utt1:  {F Oh, } yeah,  /
aa          B.8 utt2: sure. /  

sv          A.9 utt1:  Everything has changed.  /
%          A.9 utt2: Yeah,  /
%          A.9 utt3: yeah. /  

b          B.10 utt1:  Uh-huh <inhaling>.  /
%          B.10 utt2:  That's one of the, - /
sv          B.10 utt3:  {C and } it makes you really concerned.  /
sd          B.10 utt4: I am glad I raised guys. /  

b          A.11 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

ad          B.12 utt1:  {D You know, } let the world train  them what to do <laughter>.  /
sv          B.12 utt2: {C But } characteristically, {D you know, } the women  are trained, or have been in the past trained in the home. /  

b^r          A.13 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          B.14 utt1:  {C And } I really would be at a loss  [ to, + to ] raise and train a girl.  /
sv          B.14 utt2:  I think I would. /  

b          A.15 utt1:  <Inhaling> Yeah,  /
%          A.15 utt2: it's, - /
sv          A.15 utt3: {D well } [ even, +   even ] raising boys today is different though, because,   

aa          B.16 utt1:  {F Oh, } sure. /  

+          A.17 utt1:  they are expected to do so much more than they used to. /  

b          B.18 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          A.19 utt1:  {D You know, } used to be they would   just go off to work and come home,  /
sv          A.19 utt2: {C and } {D you know, } everything was done.  /
sv          A.19 utt3: {C And } [ it, +   it's ] a different world.  /
sv          A.19 utt4:  It's,   

aa          B.20 utt1:  {F Oh, } sure. /  

+          A.21 utt1:  some good, some bad, {F uh, } /  

b          B.22 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sv          A.23 utt1:  it's nice that there's a choice. /  

x          B.24 utt1:  <Inhaling>.   

sd          A.25 utt1:  [ I, +  I ] have chosen to stay at home,   

b          B.26 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

+          A.27 utt1:  and raise my children. /  

b^r          B.28 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          A.29 utt1:  {C And } I have a ten year old and a twelve year old. /  

b^r         B.30 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          A.31 utt1:  {C And } I was a single parent for awhile and worked. /  

b^r          B.32 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sv          A.33 utt1:  {C And } that was great,  /
sd          A.33 utt2: [ I was able to +   {C and } I was able to ] provide for my children  /
sd          A.33 utt3: [ {C and, } + {C and } ] {D you know, }   

b^r          B.34 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

+          A.35 utt1:  that was wonderful. /  

b^r          B.36 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          A.37 utt1:  {C But } [ I, + I ] thank God everyday  now <laughter> that I have that choice.   

b          B.38 utt1:  Sure. /  

+          A.39 utt1:  And that I am able to do <noise>  things at home  /
sd          A.39 utt2: [ {C and, } + {C and } ] {F uh, } I volunteer a whole lot. /  

b          B.40 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          A.41 utt1:  {C And, } {F uh, } that's my job right now. /  

b^r          B.42 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          A.43 utt1:  {C And } [ I, + I ] love it. /  

b          B.44 utt1:  {F Oh, } yeah. /  

sd          A.45 utt1:  I really love it. /  

sd(^q)          B.46 utt1:  I did very much the same thing until  my boys got into high school and said Mom, please do not be involved. /  

aa          A.47 utt1:  <Laughter> Right,  /
aa^r          A.47 utt2: right. /  

sd          B.48 utt1:  Then I went back to work. /  

aa          A.49 utt1:  Right,  /
sd          A.49 utt2: {C and } that will come. /  

b          B.50 utt1:  Yeah. /  

sd          A.51 utt1:  I know that day will come, /  

b          B.52 utt1:  Sure. /  

sd          A.53 utt1:  {C and } I am looking forward to that too. /  

b          B.54 utt1:  Right. /  

sd          A.55 utt1:  {C But } that's a different phase in my life, /  

b^r          B.56 utt1:  Right. /  

sd          A.57 utt1:  {C and } [ I am, + I am ] glad that  I am able to do what I want to do right now. /  

sv          B.58 utt1:  {D Well, } {D you know, } there's a lot  of things that have happened, {D actually, }  /
sv          B.58 utt2: [ {C and, } +  {C and } ] [ [ it's, +  it's like the, ] +  it's like ]  oil on top of water,  /
sv          B.58 utt3: it changes  /
sv          B.58 utt4: {C but } it's never different --   

b          A.59 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

+          B.60 utt1:  -- in a lot of ways. /  

b^r          A.61 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          B.62 utt1:  <Inhaling>  {F Uh, } women at one time  did very heavy physical labor --    

b^r          A.63 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

+          B.64 utt1:  -- and, were expected to maintain a household. /  

b^r          A.65 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sv          B.66 utt1:  Then as times changed, {F uh, } as it is  today, we do not do a lot of physical labor,   

b^r          A.67 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

+          B.68 utt1:  [ even in hous-, + even in housekeeping, ]   

b          A.69 utt1:  Right, /  

+          B.70 utt1:  and homemaking, /  

b^r          A.71 utt1:  Right. /  

sv          B.72 utt1:  there's not a lot of physical labor,   

aa^r          A.73 utt1:  Right. /  

+          B.74 utt1:  because, there are, -/  

bf          A.75 utt1:  You are not beating rugs, /  

aa          B.76 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

bf          A.77 utt1:  you are not, {D right, }   

aa          B.78 utt1:  Right. /  

+          A.79 utt1:  doing laundry by hand and that kind of thing. /  

sv          B.80 utt1:  {C And } in that respect, we have to  make ourselves become involved in physical exertion, /  

b          A.81 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sv          B.82 utt1:  {C or } we really do develop some health problems. /  

b          A.83 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          B.84 utt1:  {C So, } [ in, + [ in that, + in that ] ]  respect I am not so sure that the hard work of years past was not better for us than we are willing to admit. /  

b          A.85 utt1:  Yeah,  /
b^r          A.85 utt2: yeah. /  

%        B.86 utt1:  {C And, } {F uh, } -/  

qy          A.87 utt1:  {C But } don't you think it's that way  with men too?  /
sv          A.87 utt2: {E I mean, } {D you know, } men are sitting behind desks a whole lot more,   

aa          B.88 utt1:  {F Oh, } absolutely true  /
sv          B.88 utt2: [ it's, +    

+          A.89 utt1:  than they used to. /  

+          B.90 utt1:  that's ] true  with society,   

b          A.91 utt1:  Yeah,  /
b^r          A.91 utt2: yeah. /  

+          B.92 utt1:  in general,  /
sv          B.92 utt2: {C but } specifically the woman's role,   

b          A.93 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

+          B.94 utt1:  in society has changed.  /
sd          B.94 utt2:  {C And, } {D you know, } medical reports tell us that women are developing diseases now that used  to be predominately male diseases. /  

b          A.95 utt1:  Right,  /
b^r          A.95 utt2: right. /  

sd          B.96 utt1:  Heart disease was characteristic of men, /  

b^r          A.97 utt1:  Right. /  

sd          B.98 utt1:  now there's almost equally predominant in women. /  

b^r          A.99 utt1:  Right. /  

%          B.100 utt1:  <Inhaling> {C And } I, -/  

bf          A.101 utt1:  And stress disorders and things like that. /  

b          B.102 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

b^m          A.103 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

b^r          B.104 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

b^r          A.105 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

b          B.106 utt1:  Right,  /
sv          B.106 utt2: {C and, } I think that [ that's a, +   that's a ] symptom of our society,  /
sv          B.106 utt3: it's a symptom that [ there's, +  there's ]  a general illness that needs to be healed. /  

b          A.107 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          B.108 utt1:  I do not know what the healing process  would be or what was causing the problem, /  

x          A.109 utt1:  <Inhaling>.   

h          B.110 utt1:  [ I am not, + I am not ] God. /  

b          A.111 utt1:  Yeah,  /
b^r          A.111 utt2: yeah. /  

sd(^q)          B.112 utt1:  {C But, } [ I, + I ] do know that  in raising my boys, I really did meet a lot of pressures saying, {D you know, } you need to  get them into music lessons,  /
^q          B.112 utt2: you need to get them,   

b          A.113 utt1:  Uh-huh,  /
b^r          A.113 utt2: uh-huh. /  

+          B.114 utt1:  into sports  /
^q          B.114 utt2: you need to get them into this,  /
^q          B.114 utt3:  they need to be busy  /
^q          B.114 utt4: and they need to be active.  /
sd          B.114 utt5: {C And } I fought all  of those things,  /
sd(^q)          B.114 utt6: I said if those boys want to be involved in that they will come  to me  /
sd(^q)          B.114 utt7: {C and } they will say Mom this is important to me,  /
^q          B.114 utt8: I want to do it, /  

b          A.115 utt1:  Right,  /
b^r          A.115 utt2: right. /  

sd          B.116 utt1:  otherwise, I will guard <inhaling> their  ability to have quiet time. /  

sv          A.117 utt1:  {D You know, } it's funny, /  

sd          B.118 utt1:  I refused to cram their lives full. /  

b          A.119 utt1:  Yeah,  /
b^r          A.119 utt2: yeah.  /
sv          A.119 utt3:  # It's funny,  /
sv^r          A.119 utt4: it's funny  /
sd          A.119 utt5:  [ I was rea-, # +    

sv          B.120 utt1:  # {C And } that's the way it is with a woman too. # /  

+          A.121 utt1:  I was really ] looking forward to summer,  thinking {F oh, } we are going to have some time off. /  

b          B.122 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          A.123 utt1:  {C And } it's been real busy.  /
sd          A.123 utt2:   {C And } {D actually, } today is really [ the first, + as far as I am concerned, the first ] day of summer <laughter>.   

b          B.124 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

+          A.125 utt1:  Because we have had so  much going on the past few weeks. /  

b          B.126 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

aa          A.127 utt1:  {C And, } {F uh, } you are right, /  

b^r          B.128 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sv          A.129 utt1:  {F uh, } {D well } that's how society has changed, {F uh, }   

b          B.130 utt1:  Uh-huh,  /
b^r          B.130 utt2: uh-huh. /  

+        A.131 utt1:  {D you know, } {F uh, }  /
sv          A.131 utt2:  the family has changed,  /
sv          A.131 utt3: [ we, +   {D you know, } we ] find ourselves doing things that,   

x          B.132 utt1:  <Inhaling>.   

+          A.133 utt1:  we never did as kids. /  

b          B.134 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          A.135 utt1:  {D You know, } I do not remember,   

%          B.136 utt1:  {D Well, } -/  

+          A.137 utt1:  being involved in things like this. /  

b          B.138 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sv          A.139 utt1:  [ It's, +  it's ] different, /  

b          B.140 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sv          A.141 utt1:  it's just, - /
h          A.141 utt2: I do not know,  /
sv          A.141 utt3:  only time will tell whether it's better or  worse,   

b          B.142 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

+          A.143 utt1:  than the way we grew up.  /
sv          A.143 utt2: {C But, } {F uh, }   

aa          B.144 utt1:  Of course. /  

+          A.145 utt1:  [ it's, +  it's ] just very different. /  

b          B.146 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

%          A.147 utt1:  {F Um, } /  

sd          B.148 utt1:  {D Well, } I just am very much a  believer in quiet personal time.  /
qh          B.148 utt2: If you do not have the time to talk to yourself,  who are you going to talk to.  /
^g          B.148 utt3:  Right. /  

aa          A.149 utt1:  Yeah,  /
aa^r          A.149 utt2: yeah,  /
aa^r          A.149 utt3: yeah. /  

sd          B.150 utt1:  {C And } I guarded my children's rights  for that  /
sv          B.150 utt2: {C and } I think that that's one of the things that women are sacrificing that they should not do. /  

b          A.151 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sv          B.152 utt1:  They are sacrificing their time with themselves.  /
sv          B.152 utt2:   There's nothing wrong with sitting and being bored,   

x          A.153 utt1:  <Laughter>.   

+          B.154 utt1:  if you thinking internally,    

b          A.155 utt1:  Right. /  

+          B.156 utt1:  and you are,   

b^r          A.157 utt1:  Right. /  

+          B.158 utt1:  working on your own self. /  

b^r          A.159 utt1:  Right. /  

sv          B.160 utt1:  You are finding out who you are. /  

qh          A.161 utt1:  {C But } is not that difficult to do  when you are working full time and have to come home and prepare a meal and,    

sv          B.162 utt1:  {D Well, } I think, -/  

+          A.163 utt1:  get homework done,  /
qh          A.163 utt2:  {C and, } {D you know, } where do you find the time. /  

sv          B.164 utt1:  {F Um. }  {D Well, } in the first place  it's not your homework,  /
sv          B.164 utt2: it's your children's homework. /  

b          A.165 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          B.166 utt1:  {C And } I was always very careful  to be there only when they came to me and  asked me for help, /  

b^r          A.167 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          B.168 utt1:  I helped them with exactly what  they asked for  /
sd          B.168 utt2: {C and } that's all. /  

b          A.169 utt1:  Yeah. /  

sv          B.170 utt1:  <Inhaling> That's a part of the problem  that women have always had  /
sv          B.170 utt2: {C and } that is accepting responsibility for things  that really are other people's responsibilities. /  

aa          A.171 utt1:  That's very true. /  

%          B.172 utt1:  [ They, +    

qy^g          A.173 utt1:  {C And then } that way, we have not changed in,   

+         B.174 utt1:  They, ] -/  

+          A.175 utt1:  hundreds of years, # have we. # /  

aa          B.176 utt1:  # That's right. # /  

b          A.177 utt1:  Yeah. /  

sv          B.178 utt1:  That way husbands are crippled, /  

b^r          A.179 utt1:  Yeah. /  

sv          B.180 utt1:  they are intellectual cripples, /  

b          A.181 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sv          B.182 utt1:  and so are children. /  

b^r          A.183 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sv          B.184 utt1:  They do not know how to think for  themselves and be responsible,   

b^r          A.185 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

+          B.186 utt1:  for themselves.  /
sd          B.186 utt2:  I do not know why  God made women brilliant <laughter>.  /
%          B.186 utt3: I, -/  

bf          A.187 utt1:  Didn't he though <laughter>. /  

aa          B.188 utt1:  Yes,  /
h          B.188 utt2: {C but } I do not know  /
sv          B.188 utt3: they  tend to look at the mother as the one who solves all problems.  /
sv          B.188 utt4:  They,   

aa          A.189 utt1:  That's very true. /  

+          B.190 utt1:  are all things to all people,  /
sv          B.190 utt2:  {C and } that's never changed. /  

aa          A.191 utt1:  [ That's, + that's ] very true.  /
sd          A.191 utt2:  [ I, +   as a matter of fact I ] was talking to a friend yesterday, who said she has a new policy in her home  /
sd(^q)          A.191 utt3:  {C and } when [ her, +  her ] family comes to her and says, fix this, {D you know, }  /
^q          A.191 utt4:  I am having a problem with,   

b          B.192 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

+          A.193 utt1:  {D you know, } another member of the family, /  

b^r          B.194 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd(^q)          A.195 utt1:  she said I have taken a new stance,  /
^q          A.195 utt2:  {C and } I say, no,  /
^q          A.195 utt3: I will not. /  

b^r          B.196 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

^q          A.197 utt1:  {D You know, } you work it out for yourself. /  

b^r          B.198 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd(^q)          A.199 utt1:  {C And } [ she said, + it's amazing, she said, ]   

b^r          B.200 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

+          A.201 utt1:  {D you know, }  /
^q          A.201 utt2: every single person in  this family expects me to get, - /
^q          A.201 utt3: {C and } they [ dra-, +  suck ] me into these arguments and,    

b          B.202 utt1:  That's right. /  

+          A.203 utt1:  these conversations  /
^q          A.203 utt2: {C and } [ I ha-, +   I am ] supposed to be <inhaling> the one who is going to fix it all [ and, + and ] soothe everybody.  /
sd(^q)          A.203 utt3:   {C And } she said I am not doing it anymore.  /
%          A.203 utt4: [ I, + I ] just, -/  

sv          B.204 utt1:  {D You know } I think that's one of  the things that we have today that is very useful,  /
sv          B.204 utt2: {C and } I think every woman ought  to deal with it or, ought to at least be exposed to it,  /
sd          B.204 utt3: {C and } that is mediation training. /  

b          A.205 utt1:  {F Um, } uh-huh. /  

sd          B.206 utt1:  {F Uh, } we are not talking about strikes or  things  /
sd          B.206 utt2: we are talking about mediators who get involved in family crises,   

b^r          A.207 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

+          B.208 utt1:  parents and children, husbands and wives,   

b^r          A.209 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

+          B.210 utt1:  {F uh, } {D you know, } boss and employee.   Those kinds of things. Interpersonal mediation, /  

b          A.211 utt1:  Yeah,  /
b^r          A.211 utt2: yeah. /  

sd          B.212 utt1:  {C because, } the mediator is an unbiased bystander who, -/ 
