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FILENAME:	2744_1074_1140
TOPIC#:		353
DATE:		910430
TRANSCRIBER:	csw
UTT_CODER:      mmab
DIFFICULTY:	2
TOPICALITY:	2
NATURALNESS:	2
ECHO_FROM_B:	3
ECHO_FROM_A:	3
STATIC_ON_A:	1
STATIC_ON_B:	1
BACKGROUND_A:	2
BACKGROUND_B:	2
REMARKS:	Both speakers said uh-huh a lot while the other was speaking.

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o          B.1 utt1:  That sounded like one. /  

b          A.2 utt1:  Uh-huh.  /
sv          A.2 utt2:  {F Um, } I think that there is something definitely wrong with our school system just because of the results that you see coming out of the school system,   

b          B.3 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

+          A.4 utt1:   as far as, {F uh, } people dropping out of school, {F uh, } grades on test scores being low, {F uh, } more and more people taking G E D -s trying to get out of high school instead of just going through high school. /  

b          B.5 utt1:  Yeah. /  

sv          A.6 utt1:  You know something must be wrong as far as, {F uh, } [ mak-, + not ] just the teaching techniques but just motivation,   

b          B.7 utt1:  Yeah. /  

+          A.8 utt1:  [ within, + within ] the schools themselves. /  

b          B.9 utt1:  Yeah,  /
ad          B.9 utt2: excuse me just a minute,   

aa          A.10 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

+          B.11 utt1:  {F uh, }  /
t3          B.11 utt2: I'm on the other line Karen. <clicking> <<from phone>>  /
fa          B.11 utt3:  I'm sorry. /  

bd          A.12 utt1:  {F Oh, } it's okay. /  

b^m          B.13 utt1:  Okay.  /
%          B.13 utt2: {F Uh, } she, {F uh, } - /
%          B.13 utt3: yeah,  /
%          B.13 utt4: {D well } [ the, + the ] results, - /
sd          B.13 utt5: [ I, + I ] hear what [ you're, + you're ] saying about the results. /  

b          A.14 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sv          B.15 utt1:  <Whispering> {C And, } {F uh, } [ it's, + what ] to do about it I guess is [ the, + the ] big thing. /  

b          A.16 utt1:  Yeah. /  

sd          B.17 utt1:  [ I'm, + I'm ] in a kind of an interesting situation in that [ my, + my ] wife teaches school here in Plano. /  

b          A.18 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          B.19 utt1:  {C And, } I know that, {F uh, } the results that they get out of the system sometime [ is, + is ] certainly not <breathing>, {D you know, } up to what the effort they put into it, {D you know, }  /
sd          B.19 utt2: I've seen that for years,  /
%          B.19 utt3: yeah. /  

aa          A.20 utt1:  Right,  /
aa          A.20 utt2: {C and, } I know, {F uh, }  /
sd          A.20 utt3: I work around, {D you know } a lot of teachers  /
sd          A.20 utt4: {C and } [ I u-, + I understand ] how, {F uh, } supportive they are of their students and how excited they are, /  

b          B.21 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sv          A.22 utt1:  {C but } some how, I don't think the students are getting excited. /  

aa          B.23 utt1:  Yeah,  /
sd          B.23 utt2: I've often wondered if it doesn't come back to [ the, + the ] home environment. /  

aa          A.24 utt1:  {F Oh, } yes  /
aa          A.24 utt2: definitely,  /
aa          A.24 utt3: uh-huh <dishes>. /  

sv          B.25 utt1:  {C And, } {F uh, } [ [ it, + if, ] + {F uh, } no ] matter what they do in [ the, + the ] classroom, if they go home at night and, {D you know, } it's all totally undone, {F uh. } -/  

b          A.26 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          B.27 utt1:  [ The, + the ] thing [ that, + {F uh, } {F uh, } that ] Karen, my wife, [ has, + has ] run into so  often is that you run into a group of kids that are going to succeed no matter what, no matter how bad their teachers are,   

b          A.28 utt1:  Right,  /
b^r          A.28 utt2: right. /  

+          B.29 utt1:  no matter what a lousy system they're in, or anything else, /  

b          A.30 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          B.31 utt1:  these people somehow manage to, {F uh, } {D you know, }   

^2          A.32 utt1:  Progress,  /
%          A.32 utt2: uh-huh. /  

+          B.33 utt1:  push on through and are successful.  /
sv          B.33 utt2:  It's, {F uh, } unfortunately probably [ what, + maybe ] twenty-five or thirty percent of them do that. /  

aa          A.34 utt1:  Yeah,  /
sv          A.34 utt2: [ not, + not ] even that much probably. /  

sv          B.35 utt1:  {D Well, } [ ye-, + that ] would [ be, + be ] at the absolute most. /  

aa          A.36 utt1:  Yeah  /
aa          A.36 utt2: uh-huh. /  

sv          B.37 utt1:  {C And, } {F uh, } {D you know, } [ those, + those ] that, {D you know, } come out, {D you know, } fall out of the system, that [ are, + are ] real trouble, -/  

b          A.38 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

qy^d         B.39 utt1:  [ I, + I ] wonder whether that's just [ a, + {F uh, } {F uh, } <breathing> a ] part of the system, {D you know, } /  

b          A.40 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sv          B.41 utt1:  [ if, + {D you know, } in ] a democracy where, {D you know, } people have kind of, {F uh, } a freedom to sort of do what they want,   

b          A.42 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

+          B.43 utt1:   {D you know, } [ there, + there's ] an inefficiency there, /  

b          A.44 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sv          B.45 utt1:  {C and } you've got to let [ those, + {D you know, } those, ] -/  

sv          A.46 utt1:  {C And } [ speaking, + speaking ] of doing what you want, {F uh, } just in society today being that it's nineteen ninety-one,   

b          B.47 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

+          A.48 utt1:  {F um, } a lot of teenagers and young people have a lot more freedom as far as what they do,   

aa          B.49 utt1:  {F Oh, } {F oh } yeah. /  

+          A.50 utt1:  as far as, {D you know, } [ even, + even ] something as simple as staying up late, {F um, } watching television late, {F um, }   

b          B.51 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

+          A.52 utt1:  going out late, start dating,  /
sv          A.52 utt2: you start dating too early, {D you know, } /  

b          B.53 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sv          A.54 utt1:  just little things like that, that do start in the home, /  

b          B.55 utt1:  Yeah. /  

sv          A.56 utt1:  [ that can, + that plays ] a big part because you spend eight hours of your day, or more in school  /
sv          A.56 utt2: {C and so } any other part of your life, that's going to definitely affect your school life,   

b          B.57 utt1:  Yeah. /  

+          A.58 utt1:  because you spend so much time there. /  

sd          B.59 utt1:  {C And } sometimes in some systems they make everything so competitive, {D you know, } /  

b          A.60 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          B.61 utt1:  [ you, + from the minute that you walk in [ until, yo-, + until you ] leave, [ your, +  your ] ] competing against somebody else  /
sd          B.61 utt2: {C or } your competing against, {F uh, } a system  [ or, + or ] something,   

b          A.62 utt1:  Right. /  

+          B.63 utt1:  {D you know, }  /
%          B.63 utt2: {C and then, } a lot of <breathing> the-, - /
sv          B.63 utt3: there is a personality type I believe that is really noncompetitive.  /
sv          B.63 utt4:  They're cooperative rather than competitive, /  

b          A.64 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sv(^q)          B.65 utt1:  {C and } when they get into a real competitive system they just say, {F oh } {D well, } what the heck,   

b          A.66 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

+          B.67 utt1:  and, {F uh, } tend not to, {D you know, } do too awful well  ((   )) . /  

aa          A.68 utt1:  Right,  /
sd          A.68 utt2: I talked to, a guy the other day  /
sd          A.68 utt3: {C and } he is now [ in, + in ] a program that's trying to get him out of high school because [ he, + he ] fell back several years ago  /
sd          A.68 utt4: {C and } [ [ he's going to, + he, ] + he ] will have gone to school five years. /  

b          B.69 utt1:  Yeah. /  

sd          A.70 utt1:  {F Um, } {C and } the reason that he was doing so badly a couple of years ago was because his mother died, /  

b          B.71 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          A.72 utt1:  {C and } he was having to, {F uh, } support his entire family, take care of his brothers and sisters, {D you know, } /  

b          B.73 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          A.74 utt1:  {C and } all that had an adverse affect on his school life. /  

ba          B.75 utt1:  I would think so,  /
%          B.75 utt2: yeah. /  

b^m          A.76 utt1:  {C And, } yeah,  /
sv          A.76 utt2: [ {C and } that, + {C and } that's ] a perfect example of how your home life, {D you know, } plays a definite part.  /
sv          A.76 utt3:  And, {D you know, }   

aa          B.77 utt1:  Yeah,  /
aa^r          B.77 utt2: yeah. /  

+          A.78 utt1:  any other aspect of your life,  /
sd          A.78 utt2: [ an, + {C but } ] [ now, + now, ] that he's in this program and, {D you know, } he's, I guess okay,  /
sd          A.78 utt3: [ he's, + he's ] making straight A -s,  /
sd          A.78 utt4: {C and, } {D you know, } [ [ [ [ it just, + it, ] + it was there, ] + it was just, ] + I guess ] school was not a number one priority for him at that time. /  

aa          B.79 utt1:  Yeah,  /
%          B.79 utt2: it, {F uh, } - /
aa          B.79 utt3: right,  /
bf          B.79 utt4: survival becomes more of a priority [ than, + than ] education, /  

aa          A.80 utt1:  Uh-huh,  /
aa^r          A.80 utt2: uh-huh. /  

sd          B.81 utt1:  {C and } unfortunately, {D you know, } [ there's, + {F uh, } there's ] and old joke about,  {F uh, } {D you know, } - /
sd          B.81 utt2: education's wasted on the youth anyway. /  

x          A.82 utt1:  <Laughter>.   

sv          B.83 utt1:  [ You don't, + you don't ] really appreciate it until you're much older anyway. /  

aa          A.84 utt1:  Right,  /
aa          A.84 utt2: exactly. /  

sd(^q)          B.85 utt1:  I know when I went to school, {F uh, } my attitude was kind of one of, {D you know, } these people are, {D you know, } taking a tremendous amount of my time,   

b          A.86 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

+          B.87 utt1:  {D you know, }  /
^q          B.87 utt2: {C and } I've got better things to be doing than sitting here listening to this stuff over and over again. /  

aa          A.88 utt1:  [ Ex-, + exactly. ] /  

sv          B.89 utt1:  I guess today [ that would be, + {F uh, } some how or other there would be ] a program of some sort that would take care of that sort of thing,  /
%          B.89 utt2: {C but. } -/  

b          A.90 utt1:  <Laughter> <breathing>  {F Um. } /  

sv          B.91 utt1:  [ [ The, + {F uh, } the cure, ] + some of the cures ] that I've heard for this [ that, + that ] sort of make sense, -/  

b          A.92 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sv          B.93 utt1:  {F uh, } most teachers after they have taught for a very long, especially at [ the, + the ] lower grades can spot a problem almost immediately. /  

b          A.94 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          B.95 utt1:  {C And, } {F uh, } it's kind of these intervention programs.  /
sv(^q)          B.95 utt2:  {D Now, } a lot of people will get to looking at these and say hey that's socialism  /
sv(^q)          B.95 utt3: {C and } that's communism, /  

b          A.96 utt1:  Right. /  

%          B.97 utt1:  {C and } that's, {D you know, } - /
sv          B.97 utt2: {C and } then it gets political. /  

b          A.98 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

ba          B.99 utt1:  {C But, } {F uh, } boy. /  

sd          A.100 utt1:  When people start talking about programs that help, for me, I don't care if it's socialist,  /
sd          A.100 utt2: {C or } I don't care,   

x          B.101 utt1:  <Laughter>.   

+          A.102 utt1:  as long as it's something that's going to do some good or that looks like  it could be beneficial, /  

aa          B.103 utt1:  Uh-huh,  /
aa          B.103 utt2: yeah. /  

sd          A.104 utt1:  {E I mean, } that's the point I'm at now.  /
sv          A.104 utt2: {E I mean } that's the point we all should be at, is {D like } finding some solution, /  

b          B.105 utt1:  {F Um, } yeah. /  

sv          A.106 utt1:  {E I mean, } {D you know, } nothing totally radical,  /
sv          A.106 utt2: {C but } if it's something that, {D you know, } might help, {D you know, } - /
sv          A.106 utt3: {C because } there's not a lot being done. /  

sv          B.107 utt1:  {D Well, } {D you know, } [ the, + the ] radical programs in some cases are just totally unacceptable.  /
sv          B.107 utt2:  There are kids, families, that should just simply be taken out of the homes, {D you know. }   

aa          A.108 utt1:  Uh-huh,  /
aa^r          A.108 utt2: uh-huh. /  

+          B.109 utt1:  {C And, } {F uh, } {F uh, } {D you know, } {F uh, } just removed from those situations, /  

b          A.110 utt1:  Right. /  

sv          B.111 utt1:  {C or } they're never going to get anywhere.  /
sv          B.111 utt2:   {C But } yet, politically that is not a very popular view. /  

b          A.112 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sv(^q)          B.113 utt1:  I'm sure that if you, {D you know, } ran on a platform of, {D you know, } we're going to find the kids that are having trouble at home and we're going to take them out of the home. -/  

b          A.114 utt1:  Take them out. /  

b          B.115 utt1:  Yeah,  /
qh          B.115 utt2: you know how far you're going to get with that. /  

aa          A.116 utt1:  Yeah,  /
aa          A.116 utt2: not very far at all. /  

sv          B.117 utt1:  {F Uh, } {C but } unfortunately [ [ it's, + it's ] + something ] like that, in lieu of that, {D you know, } is the intervention programs in school where [ the, + these ] kids [ are, + are ] spotted fairly early on, /  

b          A.118 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          B.119 utt1:  {C and, } {F uh, } {D you know, } [ there's, + {D well } that's ] get to be a problem in Texas, {D you know, }   

%          A.120 utt1:  I mean [ it's, + it's ] almost like, -/  

+          B.121 utt1:  because different school systems have got more or less money to take care of that sort of thing, /  

aa          A.122 utt1:  Right,  /
aa^r          A.122 utt2: right. /  

sd          B.123 utt1:  you got counselors and all that.  /
sv          B.123 utt2:  {C But } {D you know, } you can counsel a kid eight hours a day  /
sv          B.123 utt3: {C and then } he goes home  /
sv          B.123 utt4: [ {C and, } + {C and, } ] {F uh, } {D you know, } [ in the, + in worst ] cases he's got parents either on drugs [ or, + or ] something like that, /  

b          A.124 utt1:  Right. /  

sv          B.125 utt1:  {C or } they don't care.  /
sv(^q)          B.125 utt2: {D You know, } mamma, [ wha-, + guess what ] I did in school today,  /
sv(^q)          B.125 utt3: {D well } who cares, {D you know. } /  

sv          A.126 utt1:  {C An } [ a lot of it, + a lot of the parents ] now are so young. /  

ba          B.127 utt1:  True. /  

sv          A.128 utt1:  {D You know, } [ [ that they're, + they still, ] + they still ] don't know what's going on  /
qh          A.128 utt2: {C and } how are they supposed to, {D you know, } teach their kids that are coming up, {D you know, } what's going on.  /
sv          A.128 utt3:  {E I mean } [ it's just, + it's ] a vicious cycle,   

b          B.129 utt1:  Yeah. /  

+          A.130 utt1:  that we're, {D you know, } [ dead, + smack dead ] in the center of  /
sv          A.130 utt2: {C and } we have to try to swim out.  /
sv          A.130 utt3: {D You know, } kind of like the Bermuda Triangle,  /
sv          A.130 utt4: we're just sinking  /
sv          A.130 utt5: {C and } it's almost impossible to swim back up. /  

b          B.131 utt1:  Yeah. /  

b^m          A.132 utt1:  {C But, } {F um, } yeah,  /
sv          A.132 utt2: there's definitely problems, /  

aa          B.133 utt1:  Yeah  /
%          B.133 utt2: I'm, -/  

sv          A.134 utt1:  its just the solutions [ that, + {D you know, } they're ] going to be in our political system,  /
sv         A.134 utt2: they're going to be on everyone's mind for quite a while, too long. /  

qy^d          B.135 utt1:  I don't know if you've ever had too much to do with, {F uh, } {F oh, } especially Asian, Japanese families coming,  /
sd          B.135 utt2: here in Plano we've got, {F uh, } quite a few. /  

b          A.136 utt1:  Uh-huh,  /
b^r          A.136 utt2: <throat_clearing> uh-huh. /  

sd          B.137 utt1:  {F Uh, } engineering types, people who have come from Japan, /  

b          A.138 utt1:  Right. /  

sd          B.139 utt1:  {C and } they put their kids in the U S schools  /
sd          B.139 utt2: {C and } they're appalled. /  

b          A.140 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          B.141 utt1:  {D You know, } not so much at what the schools are teaching, but what they let the kids get away with. /  

b          A.142 utt1:  {F Um, } uh-huh. /  

%          B.143 utt1:  {D You know, } [ they, + they ] see most, {F uh, } - /
sd          B.143 utt2: [ they're, + they're ] quite upset about [ the, + {F uh, } the ] disruptive influence of school.  /
sd(^q)          B.143 utt3:  Most of them would say, {D you know, } those people should be removed from the school system. /  

b          A.144 utt1:  Uh-huh,  /
b^r          A.144 utt2: uh-huh. /  

sd          B.145 utt1:  {C And } in Japan they would be, {D you know. } /  

b          A.146 utt1:  Right. /  

sv          B.147 utt1:  # {C But, } {F uh, } here again, you get back into a political thing, where, {F uh, } # -/  

aa          A.148 utt1:  # Yeah  /
%          A.148 utt2: [ there's, + there's, ] - /
aa          A.148 utt3: right.  /
sv          A.148 utt4: #  There's definitely too much leeway as far as, -/  

b          B.149 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          A.150 utt1:  {E I mean, } [ I've only been out of, + I've been out of ] college only two years, /  

b          B.151 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          A.152 utt1:  {C and } you were saying that you don't appreciate education until you get out  /
sd          A.152 utt2: {C and } [ [ [ I, + I already, ] + {D you know, } I really didn't, ] + I really don't ] see myself going back to school or anything,  /
sd          A.152 utt3: {C but, } I appreciate more what I had. /  

b          B.153 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          A.154 utt1:  {C And } I had all these classes and all this knowledge and this big library across the street from my dorm, /  

b          B.155 utt1:  Yeah,  /
qy          B.155 utt2: were you at Baylor? /  

sd          A.156 utt1:  {C and } I just didn't take as much advantage of it as I should have. /  

b          B.157 utt1:  Yeah,  /
qy          B.157 utt2: did you go to Baylor? /  

nn          A.158 utt1:  No,  /
sd^e          A.158 utt2: I went to U T at Austin,  /
%          A.158 utt3: uh-huh. /  

bk          B.159 utt1:  {F Oh, } {F oh, } okay.  /
%          B.159 utt2:  I'm, {F uh, } -/  

sd          A.160 utt1:  {C So, } I mean all kinds of resources and, {D you know, } just there, /  

b          B.161 utt1:  Yeah. /  

sd          A.162 utt1:  {C and } I'd give anything to have that right now [ in my, + in my ] regular li-, - /
sv          A.162 utt2: {E I mean } [ you, + you ] have everything given to you.  /
sd          A.162 utt3:  I don't see why people wouldn't want that.  /
h          A.162 utt4:  I don't know,  /
%          A.162 utt5: I, - /
sd          A.162 utt6: {C but } then, if I was young, I wouldn't see it. /  

aa          B.163 utt1:  # Uh-huh,  /
ba          B.163 utt2: {D well } [ that's, + that's ] it  /
sv          B.163 utt3: [ [ you, + you don't have, ] + {F uh, } #   

sd          A.164 utt1:  # {C But } {D you know, } now that it's gone, I, # -/  

+          B.165 utt1:  you don't have ] the view. /  

b          A.166 utt1:  Right. /  

sd          B.167 utt1:  I graduated from Texas Tech,   

b          A.168 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

+          B.169 utt1:  more than two years ago, I guarantee, /  

x          A.170 utt1:  <Laughter>.   

sd          B.171 utt1:  {C and, } {D you know, } I kind of look back at it sometimes,  /
^q          B.171 utt2: {D well } that was a lot of fun,  /
sd          B.171 utt3: {C but, } [ we-, +    

b          A.172 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

+          B.173 utt1:  {D you know, } I'm ] not sure [ that, + that ] I took the greatest advantage of, {D you know, } what, I went through there. /  

b          A.174 utt1:  Right,  /
b          A.174 utt2: yeah,  /
sd          A.174 utt3: I did a lot  /
sd          A.174 utt4: {C and } I experienced a lot  /
sd          A.174 utt5: {C and } [ I, + I ] feel like I got a good college education  /
sd          A.174 utt6: {C but } just when I got out I feel like I should have spent more time in the library,  /
sd          A.174 utt7: I should have taken those continuing educations classes or whatever they were, {D you know, } /  

b          B.175 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          A.176 utt1:  the informal classes that you don't get credit for, {D you know } ... / 
