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o          A.1 utt1:  Okay. /  

fp          B.2 utt1:  Hi. /  

fp          A.3 utt1:  # Hi. # /  

b          B.4 utt1:  # Okay. #  /
qy          B.4 utt2: You want to start? /  

ny          @A.5 utt1:  {F Um, } yeah.  /
na          @A.5 utt2:  Sure.  /
sv          @A.5 utt3: {F Um, } [ I think, + I think ]  we should have a balanced budget even if it means that services are dramatically cut back.  /
sv          @A.5 utt4:   If you can't pay for it, you shouldn't have it.  /
o          @A.5 utt5: Period.  #  /
%          @A.5 utt6: {C And, } # -/  

aa          B.6 utt1:  # That is # very true. -/  

%          A.7 utt1:  That's just. -/  

sv          B.8 utt1:  However, our whole economy is based on loans. /  

b          A.9 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sv          B.10 utt1:  {F Uh, } {F uh, } {C but, } bet right this moment,  you probably have several loans out  /
sv          B.10 utt2: {C or }  you have borrowed money against your credit card or something -- /  

%          A.11 utt1:  {D Well, } -/  

sd          B.12 utt1:  -- Master Charge. /  

ar          A.13 utt1:  <Laughter> I don't have a Master Charge,  /
o          A.13 utt2:  thank you <laughter>. /  

sv          B.14 utt1:  {C But, } {D see } our whole system is built on owing --   

aa          A.15 utt1:  Right. /  

+          B.16 utt1:  -- not borrowing. /  

sv          A.17 utt1:  {C But, } that's the problem, {D see. }  /
sv          A.17 utt2:  Our system shouldn't be based on owing and borrowing and all that. /  

aa          B.18 utt1:  {F Uh, } true.  /
sv          B.18 utt2:  {C But, } {F uh, } {F uh, } without it,  people wouldn't be able to own automobiles  /
sv          B.18 utt3: {C or } they wouldn't be able to own a house. /  

ar          A.19 utt1:  Yes,  /
ar          A.19 utt2: they would.  /
sv          A.19 utt3:  They just wouldn't be able to own the kind of automobiles that they think they deserve to own.  Or the kind of homes that  we think we deserve to own.  /
sv          A.19 utt4:  We might have to, {D you know, }  just be able to, - /
sv          A.19 utt5: I think,  if [ we, + ] a generation went without debt, then the next generation, - /
sv          A.19 utt6:  {D like, } [ if, + if ] [ our, + our ] generation, - /
sd          A.19 utt7: my husband and I, we're twenty-eight,  [ if we lived our lives and didn't become, {D you know, } indebted, like {D you know, }  our generation before us, [ that, + ] {F um, } the budget would balance. And that we became accustomed to living with what we could afford, which we wouldn't be destitute,  /
sd          A.19 utt8: {E I mean, } we wouldn't be living on the street, by any means.  /
sd          A.19 utt9:  {C But }  just compared to how spoiled we are, we would be in our own minds, /
sd          A.19 utt10: {C but }  I feel like the generation after us would, - /
sv          A.19 utt11: {F oh, } {D man, } it would be so good.  /
sv          A.19 utt12:   It would be so much better.  /
sv          A.19 utt13:  It wouldn't be perfect,  /
sv          A.19 utt14: {C but } then, they could learn to live  with what they could afford to save to buy.  /
sv          A.19 utt15:  {C And } if you want a nicer car than that, {D well, } you save a little longer. /  

aa          B.20 utt1:  {D Well, } now [ I agree, + {F uh } --   

b          A.21 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

+          B.22 utt1:  -- I agree ] with you one hundred percent.  /
sd          B.22 utt2:  I'm just taking the other side so  we'll have a discussion here. /  

x          A.23 utt1:  <Laughter>.   

sd          B.24 utt1:  {F Uh, } {C but } I still go to right back to  what I said.  /
qw          B.24 utt2: When is the time you had fifteen thousand dollars all at one time to go out and buy an automobile? /  

sd          A.25 utt1: {C But, } {D see, } we made poor choices in college.  /
sd          A.25 utt2:  We took out two, - /
sd          A.25 utt3: both of us had twenty thousand dollars in loans,  for student loans  -- /  

b          B.26 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          A.27 utt1:  -- {C and } I look back on that,  /
sd          A.27 utt2: {C and } I bought shoes.  /
sd          A.27 utt3:  I went shopping.  /
sd          A.27 utt4:  I did not need that money.  /
sd^r          A.27 utt5: I did not need it.  /
sd^r          A.27 utt6: I didn't need it.  /
sd          A.27 utt7:   I shouldn't have even qualified to get it.  /
sd^r          A.27 utt8:  I didn't need it.  /
sd          A.27 utt9:  {C And } it would  have been a little rough,  /
sd          A.27 utt10: I might have eaten some bologna instead of roast beef out of the deli,  /
sd^r          A.27 utt11: {C but } I did not need it.  /
sd          A.27 utt12:  {C And } as I look back  now, now we're paying that back.  /
sd(^q)       A.27 utt13:  I told my son, if you have to live in the ghetto to go  to college, do it, /
^q          A.27 utt14: {C but } don't take out ten thousand dollars in loans.  /
^q          A.27 utt15:  Don't do it.  /
sd          A.27 utt16:   {C And } I [ don't, + [ I hope, + ] don't ] think he'll have to do  that/
sd          A.27 utt17: {C but, } I just feel like if we didn't have those loans, we could have saved in the last five years the money for that,  /
sd          A.27 utt18: {C and } I believe we would have, because God's  really put it in our heart not to get in debt, {D you know. }  /
sd          A.27 utt19:  {C But } we have friends in church that do this on a constant basis, that are totally debt free.  /
sd          A.27 utt20:  {C And } they pay cash for everything they buy. /  

b          B.28 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          A.29 utt1:  Including new vans,  /
sd          A.29 utt2: {C and, } [ {C so, } + {C so } ]  I guess, I've seen it done  /
sd          A.29 utt3: {C and } I know you can do it, {D you know. }  /
sv          A.29 utt4:  {C But } you have to drive that  old car until you get that money saved up for that new van.  /
sv          A.29 utt5:  {C And } that's where  Americans don't like to do it.  /
sv          A.29 utt6: [ {C And so } + {C and } ] we don't want to cut back our  services from the government, because we're spoiled. /  

sd          B.30 utt1:  {D Well, } I have one way to suggest reducing the budget. /  

qw          A.31 utt1:  What? /  

sd          B.32 utt1:  Very simple.  /
sv          B.32 utt2:  Just take all these civil service employees,   

x          A.33 utt1:  <Laughter>.   

+          B.34 utt1:  and, {F uh, } {F uh, } take some of those holidays away from them, like Columbus Day, President's Day,   

aa          A.35 utt1:  <Laughter> I know. /  

+          B.36 utt1:  {E I mean, } [ they, + they ] get all these days off. /  

b          A.37 utt1:  # Yeah. # /  

sv          B.38 utt1:  # Now give them, #   

aa          A.39 utt1:  # I know. # /  

+          B.40 utt1:  # what [ a, + a ] # week, I think we here at T I get a  total of eleven a year. /  

b          A.41 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          B.42 utt1:  {C And } that's about, {F uh, } three or four less than  civil servants get. /  

b          A.43 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sv          B.44 utt1:  Now just look at that money the government could  save if they didn't have all of those days off, all those holidays. /  

aa          A.45 utt1:  Yeah,  /
aa          A.45 utt2: that is true.  /
sd          A.45 utt3: {C Because } I always think the  mail never comes on these days  /
sd(^q)       A.45 utt4: {C and } you're like, {D well, } what is it <laughter>.  /
sd          A.45 utt5:   You don't even know it's a holiday <laughter>. /  

sv          B.46 utt1:  {D Well, } now don't forget the mail is something  else again.  /
sd          B.46 utt2:  That has nothing,  /
sd          B.46 utt3: they're not civil servant people. /  

qy          A.47 utt1:  {C But } isn't it [ federal, + in the federal ] budget? /  

nn          B.48 utt1:  No,  /
nn^r          B.48 utt2: no,  /
sd^e          B.48 utt3: they have their own budget they go by. /  

qy          A.49 utt1:  {C But } isn't it part of our income,  /
qy^d          A.49 utt2:  it's not part of our taxes? /  

nn          B.50 utt1:  No. /  

qy          A.51 utt1:  It's not? /  

sd          B.52 utt1:  That's why the price of mailing a letter keeps going up. /  

b^m          A.53 utt1:  That's why it keeps going up,  {F uh? } /  

sd          B.54 utt1:  {D You know, } [ I could + --   

sd          A.55 utt1:  That's another topic <laughter>. /  

+          B.56 utt1:  -- I can ] remember the days when it cost only  three cents to mail, {F uh, } {F uh, } {F uh, } a letter. /  

sv          A.57 utt1:  Those stamps are valuable, now. /  

b          B.58 utt1:  Yeah. /  

x          A.59 utt1:  <Laughter>.   

%          B.60 utt1:  They probably, - /
fe          B.60 utt2: hey,  /
sd          B.60 utt3: I ought to go looking through some of my old mail. /  

ba          A.61 utt1:  That's funny.  /
%          A.61 utt2:  Yeah,  /
sv          A.61 utt3: {C and } that is a good short term thing, though.  /
sv          A.61 utt4:  That little things like [ that, + that ] - /
sv          A.61 utt5: overall, though,  I just think we're just going to, {A I don't know, } see, /
%          A.61 utt6: I know,  /
sd          A.61 utt7: I guess I'm kind of leery  of this topic, because I know that Bush is real for the new  world order.   The one world government, and alleviating all, {D you know, }  national debt between all of the nations.  /
sd          A.61 utt8:  {C But } I see that to be a potential power problem later, with, {F um, } who's going to be in charge with this new  world order.  /
sd          A.61 utt9:   {C And } [ I, + {D you know, } I'm ] uncomfortable with that much power being in one place.  /
sd          A.61 utt10:   {C But, } I know, we already have a new money system.  /
sd          A.61 utt11:  We already have new  bills printed, for, - /
sd          A.61 utt12: the U S Treasury already has our new bills printed for new currency,  /
sd          A.61 utt13:  {C and } I've seen them <laughter>.  /
sd         A.61 utt14: {C And so } I know that the long-term  vision for the U S government is to alleviate all national debts and to start over  afresh,  /
sd^r          A.61 utt15: {C but } I'm concerned with who's going to have the power over this new  world order that they keep talking about, {D you know. }  /
sv          A.61 utt16:  That's a lot of  power for one or two people to have.  /
%          A.61 utt17:  {C And so, } {F um, } I guess  because I, - /
%          A.61 utt18: I guess, - /
sd          A.61 utt19: in fact, I know what their long-term vision is.  /
sd(^q)       A.61 utt20:  I'm kind of like, {D you know, }  {D yeah, }  the only answer is to start over or to totally change our lifestyles.  /
sv          A.61 utt21:   {C And } I don't think Americans are willing to do it. /  

qo           B.62 utt1:  {D Well, } what about, {F uh, } {F uh, } sending  all this money overseas supporting other governments, third world governments.  /
qo          B.62 utt2:   How do you feel about that? /  

sv          A.63 utt1:  [ I don't, + I don't ] feel we should loan them money.  /
sd          A.63 utt2:   If [ I, + I ] wish our leaders were really seeking the Lord on these things,  /
sv          A.63 utt3: {C and } if we  feel led to give a country money to help them, fine.  /
sv          A.63 utt4:  {C But } I don't feel  we should be loaning money like that.   /
sv          A.63 utt5: {E I mean, } it doesn't work, {E I mean. } /  

sv          B.64 utt1:  {D Well, } in so many cases, it's not a loan,  /
sv          B.64 utt2:  it's just a give away. /  

sd          A.65 utt1:  [ {C But } it's not, + {C but } it's not ]  set up as a giveaway.  /
sd          A.65 utt2: If it were set up as giveaway,  /
sd(^q)       A.65 utt3: {C and } it was something, that, {E I mean, }  [ our, + our ] President and our leaders could be seeking God saying, God is it your will  for us to bless this nation with this money,  /
^q          A.65 utt4: is it your will, this money and  your will for us to give to them,  /
sv          A.65 utt5: {C and } I believe if we gave it,  no strings attached that God would bless our nation.  /
sv          A.65 utt6:  {C But } because  [ we're, +  our  ] motive is  interest, our motive is not pure, it just backfires,  /
sv          A.65 utt7: {E I mean, } none of these  nations have paid us back.  /
sv          A.65 utt8: {C But, } you understand, [ it's, + I guess it's ]  a principle of giving and receiving.  /
sv          A.65 utt9: You give it, no strings attached  /
sv          A.65 utt10: {C and } they may never give you anything back,  /
sv          A.65 utt11: {C but } because there's no strings attached, it {D like } gives them a freedom to give us something back.  /
sv          A.65 utt12:  {C And } it might not be money,  /
sv          A.65 utt13:  it might be, {F um, } no taxes on our things, our computers going into their nation,  /
sv          A.65 utt14:  it might come back in another way,  /
sv          A.65 utt15: {C but } it would be come back.  /
sv          A.65 utt16:  {C But }  because we're loaning it, I think that's the problem.  /
sv          A.65 utt17: {C And } I don't mean give it to  everybody that asks.  /
^q          A.65 utt18: Use a lot of discernment.  /
^q          A.65 utt19:  Don't give money to every nation.  /
qy          A.65 utt20:  You know, what I'm saying,  /
sv          A.65 utt21: I think we're loaning money to too many nations,  /
sv          A.65 utt22:  {C but } I think if we gave to a few select ones, that really needed it, that it would work out better for us and for them.  /
sd          A.65 utt23: {C And so } now we have all  these nations that owe us all this money  /
sv          A.65 utt24: {C and so } I just think, we're never going to  get that back, {D you know. }  /
qy          A.65 utt25: # Do you understand? # /  

nn          B.66 utt1:  # No.  /
aa          B.66 utt2: [ That, + that's ] true. #  /
sd          B.66 utt3: [  I, + I ] understand that France still owes us money from World War I. /  

b          A.67 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          B.68 utt1:  {C And, } {F uh, } World War Two debts have never  been repaid.  /
sd          B.68 utt2: I think the U S just wrote them all off. /  

b          A.69 utt1:  # Yeah. # /  

sd(^q)      B.70 utt1:  # And said, #  {D well, } we'll cancel it  just like they did to [ the, + ] that Polish debt here, {F uh, } last week. /  

b          A.71 utt1:  Yeah. /  

sd          B.72 utt1:  {F Uh, } {F uh, } half the countries of the world  simply canceled the Poland debts to help them. /  

b          A.73 utt1:  Right.  /
qy          A.73 utt2:  [ Long, + ((   ))  long ] term though,  do you think it would best to see a one world, {D you know, } - /
sv          A.73 utt3: you can't alleviate all national debts  /
qrr          A.73 utt4: {C or } do you think it would be better for our leaders to just start seeking God on how to turn our nation around financially?  /
sd          A.73 utt5:  That's my opinion.  /
sd          A.73 utt6:   My opinion's the latter. /  

b          B.74 utt1:  Uh-huh.  /
sd          B.74 utt2:  {D Well, } {F uh, } I've got to respect your  opinion.  /
sv          B.74 utt3: You have some --   

b          A.75 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

+          B.76 utt1:  -- solid ideas. /  

aa          A.77 utt1:  I know.  /
qw          A.77 utt2: What's yours?  /
qy          A.77 utt3: Do you agree  /
qrr          A.77 utt4: {C or }  do you disagree  /
qw          A.77 utt5: {C or } # {E I mean, } what do you think long term? # /  

sd          B.78 utt1:  # {D Well, } I don't believe in a single #  government or a single control for the world. /  

b          A.79 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sv          B.80 utt1:  {F Uh, } that's asking for trouble.  /
sv          B.80 utt2:   People are too different. /  

b          A.81 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sv          B.82 utt1:  {E I mean } you could travel from one coast to the other here in the U S and find a tremendous differences between the peoples.  /
sv          B.82 utt2:   They have their own ideas how things should be run. /  

b          A.83 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd           B.84 utt1:  {C So, } therefore, I don't believe there could be a single government for the whole world.  /
sv          B.84 utt2: There's too many societies involved, {F uh, }  /
sv          B.84 utt3:  the language barriers. -/  

b          A.85 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

o          B.86 utt1:  {F Uh, } {F oh, } sure,  /
sd(^q)       B.86 utt2: somebody said years ago,  {D well, } let's make it English, {F uh, } international language. /  

b          A.87 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sv          B.88 utt1:  That's a big laugh,  /
sv          B.88 utt2: we can't even make English a  national language here in our country. /  

b          A.89 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sv          B.90 utt1:  We've got too many, {F uh, } {F uh, } # immigrants. # /  

aa          A.91 utt1:  # Yeah.  /
aa          A.91 utt2: #  Yeah.  /
sd          A.91 utt3:  # I know. # /  

sd          B.92 utt1:  # They don't call # them immigrants anymore,  /
sd          B.92 utt2:  that was back in my granddaddy's day. /  

aa          A.93 utt1:  Yeah.  /
bf          A.93 utt2:  Different ethnic groups <laughter>. /  

aa          B.94 utt1:  <Laughter> Yes.  /
aa          B.94 utt2:  Yeah  /
%          B.94 utt3: {C but, } -/  

b          A.95 utt1:  Yeah.  /
sd*         A.95 utt2:  I know what your saying. /   *[[typo your -> you're]]

sd          B.96 utt1:  My grandfather came over from Lithuania back, {F uh, }  just before the turn of the century -- /  

b          A.97 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          B.98 utt1:  -- {C and, } {F uh, } as a matter of fact he's a draft dodger. /  

b          A.99 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          B.100 utt1:  He, {F uh, } was supposed to serve some time.  /
sd          B.100 utt2:  {D Well, } he did serve his time [ in the, + {F uh, } in the ] militia. /  

b          A.101 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          B.102 utt1:  {C And } he came back.  /
sd          B.102 utt2: He was a civilian  again  /
sd(^q)      B.102 utt3: {C and } his father said {D well } if, -/ 
