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FILENAME:	2405_1176_1096
TOPIC#:		325
DATE:		910403
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STATIC_ON_A:	1
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BACKGROUND_A:	1
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REMARKS:        Some problems when Speaker A alone with blank spots
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fp          A.1 utt1:  Hi,  /
fp          A.1 utt2: how are you today? /  

fp          B.2 utt1:  I'm great <laughter>. /  

fp          A.3 utt1:  Good.  /
sd          A.3 utt2:  {D Well } as a matter of fact [ I'm, +   before we started this conversation I was ] working on my P C at home. /  

b          B.4 utt1:  Yeah. /  

qy          A.5 utt1:  Do you have one? /  

nn          B.6 utt1:   No,  /
sd^e          B.6 utt2: I don't have one at home.  /
sd          B.6 utt3: I work with one  [ on, +  at ] work --   

b          A.7 utt1:  Yeah. /  

+          B.8 utt1:  -- continually, {D you know, }  /
sd          B.8 utt2: {C but } I do not have one  of my own at home. /  

%          A.9 utt1:  Do you have, -/  

qo          B.10 utt1:  What do you have, at home? /  

%          A.11 utt1:  We have an, {F um, } - /
sd          A.11 utt2: {D actually } it's a  T I computer,  /
sd          A.11 utt3: {C but } it is the I B M --   

b          B.12 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

+          A.13 utt1:  -- {F um, } clone.  /
sd          A.13 utt2: It's not the T I P C --   

b          B.14 utt1:  Right. /  

+          A.15 utt1:  -- from back when. /  

bf          B.16 utt1:  From the oldies but the goodies. /  

aa          A.17 utt1:  Right. /  

sd          B.18 utt1:  It's probably pretty close to what I have, because  I have the same kind of thing at work.  /
sd          B.18 utt2:  I have a three eighty-six S X which is  T I computer,  /
sd          B.18 utt3: {C but } everything [ in, + is in ] I B M mode.  /
%          B.18 utt4: {C So. } -/  

b          A.19 utt1:  Yeah,  /
sd          A.19 utt2: that's what we have.  {F Um. } /  

qy          B.20 utt1:  Do you use it a lot at home? /  

na          A.21 utt1:  {D Well, } I really do.  /
sd          A.21 utt2:  I, {F um, } am an accountant  /
sd          A.21 utt3: [ {C and, } +     

b          B.22 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

+          A.23 utt1:  {C but } ] I work at home. /  

b          B.24 utt1:  Uh-huh.  /
qy^d          B.24 utt2: {C So } you're on it a lot. /  

nd          A.25 utt1:  {C So } I use it for that quite often. /  

b          B.26 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          A.27 utt1:  We have, {D you know, } used some of it for some  personal things.  /
sd          A.27 utt2: We keep track of personal budgets and things like that on it.  /
%          A.27 utt3:  I, - /
sd          A.27 utt4:  since it's tax season, I'm doing a lot of taxes,  /
sd          A.27 utt5: {C so } I do [ a lot of, + {F um, } a lot of ]  that work on it as well. /  

sd          B.28 utt1:  I was amazed when I took our taxes to our tax person  /
sd          B.28 utt2:  {C and } she works out of her home also. /  

b          A.29 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sv          B.30 utt1:  {C And } the, {F uh, } software that does the taxes is  just incredible. /  

aa          A.31 utt1:  {F Oh } it is. /  

%          B.32 utt1:  {D You know, } {E I mean, } she just, {D you know, } - /
sd          B.32 utt2:  I expected to go and, {D you know, } drop the stuff off and go back two weeks later.  /
sd          B.32 utt3:   {C And, } {D you know, } she had it done and  out in twenty minutes on her little P C. /  

b          A.33 utt1:  Yeah,  /
sd          A.33 utt2: you can. /  

sd          B.34 utt1:  It was great. /  

aa          A.35 utt1:  Yes,  /
sd          A.35 utt2: you can,  /
aa          A.35 utt3: that's right. /  

ba          B.36 utt1:  That's wonderful.  /
sd          B.36 utt2: I have often thought [ that, +  that ]  having one at home would be neat.  /
sd          B.36 utt3: I just don't know if we would really use it that much.    {D You know. } /  

%          A.37 utt1:  We really, - /
sd          A.37 utt2: [ we deci-, + we didn't decide ]  to get one until I started working at home. /  

b          B.38 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd(^q)          A.39 utt1:  [ Then, + {D you know, } then, ] we thought, {D well }  we can use it for, {D you know, } some personal things.  /
%          A.39 utt2: We di-, - /
sd          A.39 utt3: for us it really took,  {D you know, } a business application --   

b          B.40 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

+          A.41 utt1:  -- to justify the expense of it. /  

aa          B.42 utt1:  {F Oh, } definitely,  /
aa^r          B.42 utt2: definitely.  /
sd          B.42 utt3: I know my stepfather  bought my mother a little personal computer, {F oh, } I guess, probably three years  ago for Christmas,  /
sd          B.42 utt4: {C and, } {D you know, } it's got some stuff on it.  /
sd          B.42 utt5:  It's got a nice  little word processing software on it, {D you know, } and some budgeting type things and stuff.  /
sd          B.42 utt6:   {C And } I don't think she's ever touched it --   

b          A.43 utt1:  Really. /  

+          B.44 utt1:  -- {D you know. }  /
sv          B.44 utt2:  [ It just, + it just ]  seems like a lot of trouble for something at home.  /
sd          B.44 utt3:  {D You know, } she always seems to have better things to  do than to try to sit down and figure out how to use her computer <laughter>  {D you know. }  /
%          B.44 utt4: {C So. } -/  

aa          A.45 utt1:  Right.  /
sv          A.45 utt2:  She could just as easily do those things by hand. /  

aa          B.46 utt1:  Yeah,  /
sv          B.46 utt2: just as quickly. /  

b          A.47 utt1:  Yeah. /  

sd          B.48 utt1:  Now I know my boss has bought the  software, {F um, } [ that he can, + that his ] checkbook is [ [ on, + on ] + --   

b          A.49 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

+          B.50 utt1:  -- on ] a disk,  /
sd          B.50 utt2: {C and } he goes in  [ and prin-, + and types ]  his checks on the screen and then hits print,  /
sd          B.50 utt3: {C and } they print out on the  checks,  /
sd          B.50 utt4: {C and } he's ordered envelopes with the windows in the right places --   

ba          A.51 utt1:  {F Oh } my gosh. /  

+          B.52 utt1:  -- {D you know, }  /
sd          B.52 utt2: {C and } he just whips, out, {D you know, } - /
sd          B.52 utt3:  I saw him yesterday morning over there,  /
sd          B.52 utt4: [ {C and, } + {C and } ] he paid his monthly  bills,  /
sd          B.52 utt5: {C and } he just, {D you know, } wrote all the checks on the screen and hit print  /
sd          B.52 utt6: {C and } it printed  out {D like } ten checks,  /
%          B.52 utt7: {C and } he just, {D you know, } - /
sd          B.52 utt8: they're perforated,  /
sd          B.52 utt9: {C and }  he just ripped them off.  /
sd          B.52 utt10:  They go through just a continuous thing on the printer -- /  

b          A.53 utt1:  Right. /  

sd          B.54 utt1:  -- {C and } he ripped them off and stuck them in the  envelopes  /
sd          B.54 utt2: {C and } there they went.  /
sd(^q)          B.54 utt3: {D You know, } {C and } he said, {D you know, }  I can balance my checkbook in seconds, {D you know } --   

b          A.55 utt1:  Right. /  

+          B.56 utt1:  -- because it's all in the computer, {D you know. }  /
%          B.56 utt2:  {C So. } -/  

sv          A.57 utt1:  {C And } {D you know } there's not going to be  those adding mistakes that we all make. /  

aa          B.58 utt1:  That's exactly why.  /
sd(^q)          B.58 utt2: [ He said, + {D you know, } he said, ]  used to be I always sat looking for those, {D you know. }  /
sd(^q)          B.58 utt3: He said this way there  isn't any.  /
^q          B.58 utt4: {D You know, } it does it for you.  /
%          B.58 utt5: {C So. } This, {D you know, } - /
sv          B.58 utt6: there are  [ some + definitely, [ some, + some ] ] advantages to it.  /
sv          B.58 utt7:  It's just a matter of, like you say,  [ are the advantages, + ] does it justify the cost, if you're using it strictly for  personal business.  /
%          B.58 utt8: {C So. } -/  

aa          A.59 utt1:  Right <Child>.  /
sv          A.59 utt2: [ I, + I ] think in most  cases I'd have to say no.  /
sv          A.59 utt3: Not unless somebody really enjoys it.    

b          B.60 utt1:  Right. /  

+          A.61 utt1:  Or perhaps is using it for education.  /
sd          A.61 utt2:  I have a four  year old son,  /
sd          A.61 utt3: {C and } we have some education programs that he likes.  /
sd          A.61 utt4:   A little Sesame Street one -- /  

b          B.62 utt1:  Yeah,  /
b^r          B.62 utt2: yeah, /  

sd          A.63 utt1:  -- {C and } we have another one that plays music,  /
sd          A.63 utt2:  {C and } he really likes that one. /  

sv          B.64 utt1:  As he grows up he'll be even more and more too. /  

aa          A.65 utt1:  That's right. /  

ba          B.66 utt1:  That'll be great. /  

%          A.67 utt1:  {C And } yeah,  /
%          A.67 utt2: on, - /
sd          A.67 utt3: now I think about it,  /
sv          A.67 utt4: I guess [ for, + for ] kids {D like, }  as they get older, - /
sv          A.67 utt5: especially now --   

b          B.68 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

+          A.69 utt1:  -- when they get to junior [ high school, +   high school, ] and even college. - /
sd          A.69 utt2:  {E I mean, } my sister went to college, started about three  years ago, <child>  /
sd          A.69 utt3: {C and } she had to have [ a, + a ] computer. /  

b          B.70 utt1:  Really. /  

sd          A.71 utt1:  {E I mean, } it was like a necessity. /  

b          B.72 utt1:  {D Well, } yeah,  /
%          B.72 utt2: I. -/  

sd          A.73 utt1:  She couldn't imagine going through college without a computer. /  

sd          B.74 utt1:  {D Well } I'm going through right now.  /
sd          B.74 utt2:  I'm, {D you know, } going part time in the evenings,  /
%          B.74 utt3: {C and, } {D you know, }  I do, - /
%          B.74 utt4: yeah,  /
sd          B.74 utt5:  everything has to be typed.  /
sd          B.74 utt6:  {E I mean, } they require it.  /
sd          B.74 utt7: You have to type it --   

b          A.75 utt1:  Right. /  

+          B.76 utt1:  -- {D you know, }  /
sd          B.76 utt2: [ {C and, } + {C and so } ] I'm up here, {D you know, } nights and weekends {D you know, }  working [ on the little p-, + on the P C ] up here, {D you know, }  typing stuff.  /
sd          B.76 utt3: {C So } I can see where it would be a great advantage  to have one at home, {D you know, } if you were going to school. /  

aa          A.77 utt1:  Yeah,  /
qy^d          A.77 utt2:  any more I don't even know [ if they have, +  if a college kid would have ] a typewriter <laughter>. /  

%          B.78 utt1:  {D Well, } you, - /
no          B.78 utt2: I don't know. /  

sv          A.79 utt1:  Probably not even,  /
nn          A.79 utt2: no. /  

nn^m          B.80 utt1:  No,  /
nn^r          B.80 utt2: no,  /
sv^e          B.80 utt3: {C and } they probably used to have it.  /
sd          B.80 utt4:   I just finished [ a, + a ] major research paper a couple of weeks ago,  /
sd          B.80 utt5: {C and } I couldn't  imagine not having that thing on a disk --   

b          A.81 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

+          B.82 utt1:  -- where I could go back in and move stuff around and  change it.  /
sd          B.82 utt2:  [ I, + I ] don't know what they used to do <laughter> before they, -/  

sd          A.83 utt1:  {D Well, } {D unfortunately } in our family,  my husband and I went through college together  /
sd          A.83 utt2: {C and then } he went on and got his Master's degree  while I was working. /  

b          B.84 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          A.85 utt1:  {C And } I'm the better typist,   

b          B.86 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

+          A.87 utt1:  of us,  /
sd          A.87 utt2: {C and } we just had a regular old  typewriter, not even a correcting one back then. /  

qy^d          B.88 utt1:  {F Oh } --   

sd          A.89 utt1:  It wasn't that long ago,  /
sd          A.89 utt2: {C but } --   

+          B.90 utt1:  -- {C and } you had to type all of his papers. /  

+          A.91 utt1:  -- I typed his Master's papers and things on a typewriter. /  

ba          B.92 utt1:  {F Oh } gosh, /  

sd          A.93 utt1:  {F Oh } boy, to have a computer back then. /  

sv          B.94 utt1:  {F Oh, } cut your time in half at least. /  

aa^m          A.95 utt1:  At least. /  

b^m          B.96 utt1:  At least. /  

%          A.97 utt1:  {E I mean, }  /
sv          A.97 utt2: {C and then } of course you have some  changes to make, and do the whole thing over.  /
sv          A.97 utt3: You take out a sentence,  /
sv          A.97 utt4: on a computer you take it  out, {D bleep, } print it out, fine. /  

b          B.98 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

%          A.99 utt1:  Take out a sentence on a piece of paper, -/  

sv          B.100 utt1:  You do the whole thing over. /  

b          A.101 utt1:  Right. /  

aa          B.102 utt1:  That's right.  /
sd          B.102 utt2: {D You know, } I remember when I was  working in high school, {D you know, } I was working in an office,  right after I got out of high school  /
sd          B.102 utt3: I continued working there for probably another year.  /
sd          B.102 utt4: {C And }  we did everything on a typewriter --   

b          A.103 utt1:  {F Oh, } yeah. /  

+          B.104 utt1:  -- everything.  /
sv          B.104 utt2:  {C But } it's amazing, {D you know, }  /
sv          B.104 utt3: then, when, [ where, + ] {D you know, } someone would have you type a letter,  [ they did it right, + they did it right. ]  /
%          B.104 utt4:  {E I mean, } they were, -/  

sv          A.105 utt1:  The first time. /  

aa          B.106 utt1:  Yeah,  /
sv          B.106 utt2: they sit there  /
sv(^q)          B.106 utt3: {C and } they go, is this  really what I want to say,  /
sv          B.106 utt4: {C and } you typed it  /
sv          B.106 utt5: {C and } that was it,  /
sv          B.106 utt6: {C and } now, {D you know }  people just send it back over and over and over and over. /  

sv          A.107 utt1:  That's probably one of the problems and frustrations  that it's brought about, because people do feel like, {F Oh } {D well, }   we can just change it. /  

^q          B.108 utt1:  {D Well, } we'll try this out and see what it  looks like.  /
b          B.108 utt2: Yeah. /  

b^m          A.109 utt1:  Yeah,  /
%          A.109 utt2: use it as [ a, +  just a, ] -/  

b          B.110 utt1:  Yeah,  /
sv          B.110 utt2: instead of knowing what they want to say --   

b          A.111 utt1:  Right. /  

+          B.112 utt1:  -- before [ they eve-, + they just, ] {D you know, }  play with it, [ and, +  which ] in a way is nice to be able to do,  /
sv          B.112 utt2: {C but, } {D you know, }  [ it, + it ] gets a little out of hand sometimes.  /
sd          B.112 utt3:  I've seen it get out of hand up here, {D you know } --   

b          A.113 utt1:  {F Oh } yeah. /  

+          B.114 utt1:  -- where we've got a secretary that sits over here that's  keeping metrics right now, and keeping up, {D you know, } of all the  letters I type, [ how many cha-, + how many ] of them do I make changes on. And on each letter,  what types of changes.  /
qh          B.114 utt2:  Are they typos?  /
qh          B.114 utt3: Are they because I couldn't  read it  /
qh          B.114 utt4: {C or } people just change [ a, +  {D like, }  one ] word because they  think it sounds better, or whatever.  /
sd          B.114 utt5: {C And, } {D you know, } she's also keeping [ a percentage, +   {D you know, } what percentage ] of letters am I retyping for whatever reason. /  

b          A.115 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          B.116 utt1:  {C And } there's {D like } one week, she did retypes  on ninety percent of what she typed --   

ba          A.117 utt1:  I believe it. /  

+          B.118 utt1:  -- {D you know, }  /
sv          B.118 utt2: {C and } [ it's like, +  {D you know, }  it's ] ridiculous  /
sd          B.118 utt3: {C and } [ that was, + that was ] the high week,  /
sv          B.118 utt4: {C but } it's running about seventy --   

b          A.119 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

+          B.120 utt1:  -- which is still ridiculous to have to make  changes to seventy percent of everything that she types. /  

sv          A.121 utt1:  {D Well, } it's good that she does that, {E I mean, }  bring it to people's attention. /  

aa          B.122 utt1:  {D Well, } that's exactly right.  /
sd(^q)          B.122 utt2:  {D You know, }  she [ keeps, + {D you know } keeps ] several weeks' worth of data  and then in addition is keeping copies of  all the changes to show, {D you know, } look, this didn't really need to  be changed.  /
^q          B.122 utt3:  {D You know, } this is ridiculous and {D you know, } changing, add this time to now. /  

x          A.123 utt1:  <Laughter>.   

sd          B.124 utt1:  {D You know, } {E I mean, } that's the kind of  things, {D you know, } that she's keeping and showing, that, this was a big waste of time, it was a waste of paper, it was a waste, {D you know } --   

b          A.125 utt1:  Right, /  

+          B.126 utt1:  -- to change something like that.  /
sv          B.126 utt2:  {D So. } Anyway,  [ maybe, + {D you know, } maybe ] [ it'll, + it'll ] help in some way,  /
h          B.126 utt3: {C but } I don't know.  /
sv          B.126 utt4: [ There, + there ] definitely even with the few disadvantages like that are far better  than the alternative. /  

%          A.127 utt1:  {F Oh } I have to, -/  

sv          B.128 utt1:  Without a doubt.  /
sv^r          B.128 utt2:  Without a doubt.  /
sd          B.128 utt3:  {D Well, }  I would like to get one at home some day.  /
sd          B.128 utt4:  We've got a two year old son,  /
sd          B.128 utt5: {C and so, } {D you know, }  some day I would like to get, even just {D like } the video [ tell, + ] or something like  that, {D you know, } just [ to, + to ] be able to pull in sources from  outside would be wonderful.  /
%          B.128 utt6: {D You know } {C so, } -/  

sv          A.129 utt1:  Especially when they're in school,  I think they would get a lot out of it. /  

aa          B.130 utt1:  {F Oh, } I do too,  /
aa^r          B.130 utt2: I do too.  /
sv          B.130 utt3:  The on line  encyclopedia just sounds wonderful,  /
sv          B.130 utt4: {D you know, } that sounds like such a great idea,  /
sv          B.130 utt5: {D you know, }    it'd be kind of fun to be able to play with it.  /
sd          B.130 utt6:  {D So. } I know, my father had  a P C,  /
sd          B.130 utt7: {C and } when we were in high school it was always fun.  /
sd          B.130 utt8:  We could, {F um, }  link in,  /
sd          B.130 utt9: {C and } I don't even remember now what it was called.  /
sd          B.130 utt10:  {C But } you could link  in and [ talk to other peo-, + talk to people ] all over the country, {D you know. } /  

b          A.131 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          B.132 utt1:  {C And, }  {D like, }  you have your own little code  name, {D you know, }  /
sd          B.132 utt2: {C and } you'd type in du du du, Hi how are you, du du du,  /
sd          B.132 utt3: {C and } they'd type  back and  everybody,  /
sd          B.132 utt4: {C and } you'd have five or six or seven people talking to each other  at the same time,  /
sd          B.132 utt5: {C and } everything everybody said prints out on your  screen as they're typing it,  /
sd          B.132 utt6: {C and } it was just great fun, {D you know, }  /
sd          B.132 utt7:  It was very expensive, because the whole time you were on there you were on long distance, {D you know. }  /
sd          B.132 utt8:   It was like a --   

b          A.133 utt1:  Ooh. /  

+          B.134 utt1:  -- long distance phone call.  /
sd          B.134 utt2: {C So, } we were each  limited to {D like } twenty minutes a day, {D you know, }  /
%          B.134 utt3: {C so. } -/  

b          A.135 utt1:  Ooh,  /
sv          A.135 utt2: that still could add up. /  

aa          B.136 utt1:  {F Oh } it added up big.  /
sd          B.136 utt2: {D Well, } {D you know, }  [ we, + my parents ] were divorced  /
sd          B.136 utt3: {C and so }  the time we were {D like } visiting our father in the summer  time, {D you know, }  /
sd          B.136 utt4: {C so } he felt like he could splurge and let us do it. /  

b          A.137 utt1:  Yeah. /  

sv          B.138 utt1:  I'm sure we would not have been allowed to do that  under normal situations, {D you know. }  /
sv          B.138 utt2: {C But } when you're doing the guilty father  complex, {D you know, } because he's not there to watch us grow,   

x          A.139 utt1:  <Laughter>.   

+          B.140 utt1:  you can kind of get all kinds of stuff. /  

x          A.141 utt1:  </Laughter>.   

ba          B.142 utt1:  <Laughter> That's sad.  /
fc          B.142 utt2:  {D Well, } it was  nice to talk to you. /  

fc          A.143 utt1:  Yeah,  /
fc          A.143 utt2: you too. /  

%          B.144 utt1:  Have a, -/  

fc          A.145 utt1:  Have a nice day. /  

fc          B.146 utt1:  You too. /  

fc          A.147 utt1:  Bye-bye. /  

fc          B.148 utt1:  Bye. / 
