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FILENAME:	2773_1130_1239
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DATE:		910503
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REMARKS:        Speakers A's voice echoed to the point of distortion.

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o          A.1 utt1:  Yes,  /
qo          A.1 utt2: {F um, } how do you feel about, {F um, } the way the U S has reacted in the Middle East? /  

nd          B.2 utt1:  {D Well, } [ I was, + it was ] favorable.  /
sv          B.2 utt2:  [ [ I, + I just, ] + I think, ] the sanctions would have worked,  /
sv          B.2 utt3: {C but } it would of taken longer  /
sd          B.2 utt4: and, {F uh, } now with all this stuff  coming out with Woodward's book and everything.  /
sd          B.2 utt5:  {F Uh, } {C and then } I saw a NIGHTLINE program last night about all the funding of Hussein's, {F uh, } back as early as nineteen eighty-six,  /
sv          B.2 utt6: {C so, } {F uh, }  ((   ))  been a different turn,  /
sv          B.2 utt7: {C and then } I don't think we projected what was going to happen after the war, /  

b          A.3 utt1:  Huh-uh. /  

sv          B.4 utt1:  It got over so fast,  /
%          B.4 utt2: {C so, } {F uh, } -/  

qw          A.5 utt1:  What is the Woodward book you are referring to? /  

sd          B.6 utt1:  {D Well, } it just came out, I guess, yesterday.  /
sd          B.6 utt2:  It's called the COMMANDERS.  /
sd          B.6 utt3: And [ it's, + {F uh, } it says, ] {A big story in the paper about it today, Bush trying to comment on it, } that Colin Powell was against [ the, + {F uh, } {F uh, } an ] early, {F uh, } - /
sd          B.6 utt4: he was for sanctions. /  

b          A.7 utt1:  Huh-uh. /  

sv          B.8 utt1:  {C And so } it seems like there's, {D you know, } always some body digging things like that.  /
sv          B.8 utt2:  {C But, } I'm not for sure we know exactly [ what, + what ] all happened in that situation, /  

b          A.9 utt1:  Huh-uh. /  

sv          B.10 utt1:  {C So, } we were so, {F uh, } fast to get over the Vietnam, whatever the Vietnam syndrome is, that now we've tied ourselves up there in the Middle East for a long period of time. /  

aa          A.11 utt1:  Right.  /
sd          A.11 utt2:  That was my feeling.  /
sd          A.11 utt3:  [ I was, + I was ] very against our involvement so  quickly. /  

b          B.12 utt1:  Yeah.  /
sv          B.12 utt2:  [ [ I just think, + I think if we had been very, ] + {E I mean } if we had that good of a correlation ] through the United Nations, then [ they could have, + {F uh, } they could have ] made sanctions work, I'm pretty sure. /  

aa          A.13 utt1:  Huh-uh.  /
aa^r          A.13 utt2: Huh-uh. /  

sv          B.14 utt1:  With that much support, you would have just penalized any nation that broke the embargo, /  

aa          A.15 utt1:  Right.  /
sv          A.15 utt2:  I think we're very naive as far as that part of the world is concerned. /  

aa          B.16 utt1:  We are.  /
aa^r          B.16 utt2:  We are, I think, {D you know, }  /
sv          B.16 utt3: [ in, + in, + ] we've just misread almost everything in that we always seem to be getting in bad with the wrong fellow [ for the [ next, + next ] tenure, + for the next thing down the road ]  /
sv          B.16 utt4: [ {C and, } {F uh, } then, we can, + {C and } we don't ] tend to read Israel correctly  /
h          B.16 utt5: {C so, } {F uh, } I don't know,  /
sv          B.16 utt6: it should be a mess.  /
sv          B.16 utt7:  It's, {F uh, } not going to be anything we're going to get out of very soon. /  

aa          A.17 utt1:  Right.  /
aa^r          A.17 utt2:  Right.  /
sv          A.17 utt3:  In spite of all the promises. /  

aa          B.18 utt1:  Right.  /
sv          B.18 utt2:  They can talk a good game,  /
sd          B.18 utt3: {C but, } {F uh, } being a historian, [ it's, + {D you know, } you ] read all that clear back at least to the turn of the century with all the mess after the first world war, /  

b          A.19 utt1:  Huh-uh.  /
b^r          A.19 utt2:  Huh-uh. /  

aa          B.20 utt1:  {C And } [ [ [ [ we just, + we're still, ] + I, ] + I ] + you're ] absolutely right,  /
aa          B.20 utt2: too naive,  /
sv          B.20 utt3: [ we just, + if we ] do find so-called experts in any area of the world, we don't listen to them  /
h          B.20 utt4: {C so, }    

aa          A.21 utt1:  Huh-uh.  /
aa^r          A.21 utt2:  Huh-uh. /  

+          B.22 utt1:  {F Um, } I don't know,  /
sv          B.22 utt2: [ be, + be ] interesting to keep watching I guess,  /
sv          B.22 utt3: {C but } I'm just afraid [ it's going, + it's going, ]   

b          A.23 utt1:  # Huh-uh.  /
b^r          A.23 utt2:  Huh-uh. # /  

+          B.24 utt1:  # to break # us. /  

sv          A.25 utt1:  {C And } I'm not sure we're sensitive [ to, + to ] other cultures. /  

sv          B.26 utt1:  Not very much in our colleges,  /
sv          B.26 utt2: we're trying,  /
sd          B.26 utt3: [ we're, + I ] happen to teach at a college with a tremendous number of international students  /
sv          B.26 utt4: [ {C and, } + {C and } ] cultural diversity is just something we really don't understand  /
sv          B.26 utt5: {C and } it needs to be, {F uh, } taught from the earliest grades, /  

b          A.27 utt1:  # Huh-uh. # /  

sv          B.28 utt1:  # with # our school systems in such disarray, I don't know, [ if that, + it ] doesn't look terribly hopeful. /  

aa          A.29 utt1:  Huh-uh.  /
sv          A.29 utt2: {C But } I'm not sure it's something you can teach.  /
sv          A.29 utt3: {E I mean, }   

sv          B.30 utt1:  {D Well, } you can at least, {F uh, }   

+          A.31 utt1:  # awareness. # /  

+          B.32 utt1:  # give # them the awareness of the different cultures and, {F uh, } {D you know, } [ have all sorts of, + {F um, } at least, {D you know, } let them know ] [ [ what + that, ] + that ] other people do things differently [ [ than, + than, ] + than ] maybe in their own neighborhood. /  

b          A.33 utt1:  Huh-uh. /  

sv          B.34 utt1:  [ So, + and ] [ [ when, + when, ] + when ] those people are around  /
sv          B.34 utt2: {C and } you can get them to meet  /
sv          B.34 utt3: {C and } we're all pretty much alike, /  

aa          A.35 utt1:  That's true.  /
aa^r          A.35 utt2: That's true. /  

sv          B.36 utt1:  [ {C So, } + {F uh, }    

b          A.37 utt1:  Yeah. /  

+          B.38 utt1:  {C But } ] [ it's, + {F uh, } it's ] something [ as, + {D you know, } as ] I said won't go away,  /
sv          B.38 utt2: {C so } it will be a good topic for me in the class for along time <laughter>. /  

x          A.39 utt1:  <Laughter>.   

sd          B.40 utt1:  {C Because } I teach history,  /
%          B.40 utt2: {C so. } -/  

b          A.41 utt1:  Right.  /
b^r          A.41 utt2:  Right.  /
qo          A.41 utt3:  {C And, } {F um, } what about the whole situation with the refugees, the Kurds? /  

sv          B.42 utt1:  {D Well, } I would just think if Bush was so successful in lining up the correlation to prosecute a war, then he should be equally successful in getting that same correlation to push the United Nations to, {F uh, } {F uh, } somehow persuade those nations to give the Kurds a homeland  /
sv          B.42 utt2: they were promised that  ((   )) . /  

qo          A.43 utt1:  {C But, } what about the Palestinians? /  

sv          B.44 utt1:  {D Well, } that's the same thing,  /
sv          B.44 utt2: [ they, + {F uh, } they ] haven't been waiting quite as long, even though they've been waiting since forty-eight, /  

b          A.45 utt1:  # Right.  /
b^r          A.45 utt2:  Right. # /  

sv          B.46 utt1:  # {F uh, } [ that, + # that ] becomes a different matter simply because your dealing  with Israel  /
sv          B.46 utt2: {C and } they seem to be more intractable than ever. /  

b          A.47 utt1:  Huh-uh. /  

sv          B.48 utt1:  {F Uh, } that Shamir [ can't, + can't ] retain his leadership [ if he, + if he ] backs down the slightest bit  /
sv          B.48 utt2: {C so, } {F uh, } [ I just don't see us, + I don't think there's anybody ] [ of, + of ] major stature on the scene [ of, + ] like the great statesman of the past, /  

aa          A.49 utt1:  # Huh-uh.  /
aa^r          A.49 utt2:  Huh-uh # /  

sv          B.50 utt1:  # {C or } at # least we thought they were.  /
sv          B.50 utt2:  I'm not for sure that they were.  /
sv          B.50 utt3: They seem to have gotten us into some of these messes. /  

aa          A.51 utt1:  Huh-uh.  /
qy          A.51 utt2: {D Well, } do you think the U S should even be involved? {E I mean, } as the world leader in the sense trying to resolve these issues  /
qrr          A.51 utt3: {C or } should we have just stayed out of it? /  

sv          B.52 utt1:  {D Well, } I wish we could stay out of it,  /
sv          B.52 utt2: {C but } the oil is not going to allow us to.  /
sv          B.52 utt3:  We absolutely need that oil.  /
sv          B.52 utt4:  That's the major thing.  /
sv          B.52 utt5:  If we didn't need the oil and if we didn't have the ties with the Israelis, we could probably stay out of it. /  

aa          A.53 utt1:  Right.  /
aa^r          A.53 utt2:  Right.  /
aa^r          A.53 utt3:  Right. /  

sv          B.54 utt1:  {C But } I'm not for sure that we're not destined, at least for the foreseeable future, as long as we can keep [ our head, + our own head ] above water, to be the world leader.  /
sv          B.54 utt2:  {C So } [ I, + Bush ] is probably, if he can keep that correlation together, especially the French, and the British, and the Germans, and be sure that the Japanese can kick in some of their money. - /
sv          B.54 utt3: They may just have to,  /
sv          B.54 utt4: I don't know what type of pressure they can put on all the nations there, too, because now that the war is over, societies have just about gone back to their own,   

b          A.55 utt1:  # Huh-uh. # /  

+          B.56 utt1:  # {F uh, } # {F uh, } cold selves.  /
sd          B.56 utt2:  {C And } I wouldn't have necessarily fought for the Kuwaitis,  /
sv          B.56 utt3: [ [ they, + {F uh, } they're, ] + nobody likes them ] in that part of the world  /
sv          B.56 utt4: {C but, } {F uh, } it's just such a volatile area,  /
sv          B.56 utt5: {E I mean, } there's just no stability, period. /  

aa          A.57 utt1:  Right.  /
sd          A.57 utt2:  {C But } in a sense, I don't know that I would say it's good,  /
sd          A.57 utt3: in a sense I'm glad that Saudi wasn't more changed [ by, + by ] the situation  /
sv          A.57 utt4: {C because, }   

b          B.58 utt1:  # Huh-uh. # /  

+          A.59 utt1:  # {E I # mean, } [ we really don't, + {E I mean, } I don't think, ] it's our world to westernize the whole world, /  

aa          B.60 utt1:  # Absolutely. # /  

sv          A.61 utt1:  # {C so } # the fact that the Saudi could just sort of pull back and, {F uh, } remain, {D you know, } culturally sort of clean is interesting. /  

aa          B.62 utt1:  Yeah.  /
aa          B.62 utt2:  I think you're right.  /
sv          B.62 utt3: [ I, + it's ] not our, {F uh, } role to make everybody like us. /  

aa          A.63 utt1:  Huh-uh. /  

sv          B.64 utt1:  {C But, } it's just, {F uh, } for those who [ have, + may have ] wanted to travel in that part of the world that are up in the age I am, it's going to eliminate that for awhile. /  

aa          A.65 utt1:  Right.  /
aa^r          A.65 utt2:  Right. /  

sv          B.66 utt1:  I think it's going to be too dangerous to be any place in there. /  

sd          A.67 utt1:  {D Well, } {D you know, } {E I mean, } I actually lived in Beirut from sixty-eight to eighty-four <<voice is echoing to point of distortion>>. /  

bh          B.68 utt1:  {F Oh, } did you? /  

sd          A.69 utt1:  {C And so, } {E I mean, } it's been  ((   ))  dangerous for sometime. /  

aa          B.70 utt1:  Yes. /  

sd          A.71 utt1:  I'm not sure that it's changed that much. /  

aa          B.72 utt1:  Yeah.  /
sd          B.72 utt2:  {D Well, } [ I, + I ] haven't been to Beirut  /
sd         B.72 utt3: {C but } I've heard what a wonderful city that, - /
sv         B.72 utt4: it's just totally gone to, {F uh, } -/  

ba          A.73 utt1:  {D Well, } {D see } that's it.  /
ar          A.73 utt2:  It really hasn't. /  

b          B.74 utt1:  It hasn't  ((   )) . /  

aa          A.75 utt1:  Exactly,  /
sd          A.75 utt2: it depends on whether one talks physical [ or, + or ] sort of cultural.  /
sd          A.75 utt3: Culturally, {E I mean, } it's obviously changed a lot.  /
sd          A.75 utt4: {C Because } it's more of a (( survival city )) ,  /
sd          A.75 utt5: {C but } the buildings are still intact and still beautiful, {D you know, } {D you know. }  /
sd          A.75 utt6:  There was garbage on the corner when I got there  /
sd          A.75 utt7: {C and } there's garbage when I left.  /
sd          A.75 utt8:  {C But } {E I mean, } it's just a different cultural aspect.  /
sd          A.75 utt9:  {E I mean, } the trucks don't come daily  /
sd          A.75 utt10: {C and } you really don't want the garbage in your house,  /
sd          A.75 utt11: [ {C so. } + {C And, } ] {E I mean, } I traveled in the area, too.  /
sd          A.75 utt12:  [ {C And, } + {F um, } {C so } ] that many of the countries Turkey and Syria are the same as they were for traveling. /  

%          B.76 utt1:  That's one part of the world, - /
sd          B.76 utt2: I've been to north Africa a lot but not, {F um, } - /
sd          B.76 utt3:  I haven't been to Beirut or Syria or Baghdad, /  

b          A.77 utt1:  Yeah.  /
sd          A.77 utt2:  I was never able to go to Baghdad.  /
sd          A.77 utt3: [ It was, + I never could get ] a visa.  /
sd          A.77 utt4:  [ {C So } even before, + {C so } even when ] things were good in the Middle East, Americans weren't really given visas to go into Baghdad. /  

b          B.78 utt1:  Right. /  

sd          A.79 utt1:  [ {C And, } + {F um, } {C but } ] [ it's, + it's ] a very beautiful part, very interesting historically, of course, which was my interest  ((   ))  art history. /  

b          B.80 utt1:  Sure. /  

%          A.81 utt1:  {D So, } {F uh, } -/  

fc          @@B.82 utt1:  {D Well, } I think we've done them a good job today then.   

x          A.83 utt1:  <Laughter>.   

+          B.84 utt1:  For this little project they're doing. /  

fc          A.85 utt1:  Right.  /
fc^r          A.85 utt2:  Right. /  

fc          B.86 utt1:  In fact, I just talked to the director awhile ago,  /
fc          B.86 utt2: {C so, } {F uh, } he was checking to see if I was going to stay in because I've been so busy with this presidential search,  /
fc          B.86 utt3: I haven't had a chance to,   

fc          A.87 utt1:  # Huh-uh. # /  

+          B.88 utt1:  # really # do any calling myself. /  

fc          A.89 utt1:  Huh-uh.  /
fc          A.89 utt2: I see.  /
fc^r          A.89 utt3: I see. /  

%          B.90 utt1:  {D So, } {F uh, } -/  

fc          A.91 utt1:  Then great  /
fc          A.91 utt2: {C and, } {F um, } {D you know, } have a good business trip. /  

fc          B.92 utt1:  Thank you.  /
fc          B.92 utt2:  {C And } you continue  ((   )) . /  

fc          A.93 utt1:  Okay,  /
fc          A.93 utt2: thank you. /  

fc          B.94 utt1:  Bye-bye. /  

fc^m          A.95 utt1:  Bye-bye. / 
