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FILENAME:	3150_1334_1171
TOPIC#:		322
DATE:		910724
TRANSCRIBER:	lya
UTT_CODER:	mlg
DIFFICULTY:	1
TOPICALITY:	1
NATURALNESS:	1
ECHO_FROM_B:	1
ECHO_FROM_A:	1
STATIC_ON_A:	2
STATIC_ON_B:	2
BACKGROUND_A:	1
BACKGROUND_B:	1
REMARKS:        There were the voices of children frequently in the
background of voice B 

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qo          B.1 utt1:  <Static> <Children> {D So, }  how do you feel about capital punishment? /  

%          @A.2 utt1:  <Static> {D Well, } it's, - /
sd          @A.2 utt2: I am pretty much against it <breathing> <laughter>. /  

qy          B.3 utt1:  Really? /  

ny          A.4 utt1:  Yeah.  /
qo          A.4 utt2:  How about you? /  

sd          B.5 utt1:  {F Oh, } I'm pretty much for it. /  

ba          A.6 utt1:  {F Oh, } good # <laughter>  /
sv          A.6 utt2: we can have a debate. # /  

sv          B.7 utt1:  # <Laughter>  We'll # have some interesting discussion, I guess. /  

h          A.8 utt1:  {D Well, } {D like, }  {F um, } <lipsmack> I don't know,  /
%          A.8 utt2: I [ c-, + ] think that I, - /
sd          A.8 utt3: one of the reasons that I'm against it is that, {F uh, } {F um, } I'm afraid of someone losing their life, for [ s-, + ] {F um, } # wrongly, # /  

^2          B.9 utt1:  # Wrongfully. #  /
b          B.9 utt2:  # Yeah. # /  

aa          A.10 utt1:  # Right # -- /  

b          B.11 utt1:  Yeah. /  

sd          A.12 utt1:  -- {C and, }  {F uh, } another reason, - /
sd          A.12 utt2: [ one of the arguments, that [ really, + I really ] {D actually } have been kind of ambivalent about it, + {C but } one of the arguments that really,   

 x         B.13 utt1:  <Children>.   

+          A.14 utt1:  {F uh, } made me feel kind of strongly against it, ] is that, {F uh, } <lipsmack> {D you know, } someone said to me once, {D well, } imagine if the person you love most in the world, like your mother or something, if someone killed her, wouldn't you want to see them killed <sigh> for the punishment?  /
sd          A.14 utt2: {C But then } I thought about it  /
sd          A.14 utt3: {C and } I thought, {D well, } the loss that I would feel at losing my # mother <talking> # --   

b          B.15 utt1:  # Yeah, #  /
^2          B.15 utt2: # it would never be equal, # /  

+          A.16 utt1:  -- # someone else would feel # that about that person --   

b          B.17 utt1:  Right. /  

+          A.18 utt1:  -- no matter how rotten they were, somebody loves them <laughter> </talking>. /  

b          B.19 utt1:  Right.  /
b          B.19 utt2:  Yeah. /  

qo          A.20 utt1:  How about you? /  

h          B.21 utt1:  {D Well, } [ I guess, + {D you know, } [ I, + I ] guess ] I can see it from several different perspectives,  /
sd          B.21 utt2: {C but, }  {D you know } when I hear about things like, {D you know, } [ what they've, + what they've ]  been reporting about in Milwaukee, {D you know } [ [ I, + I, ] + to me I ] don't see any way of rehabilitating the guy.  /
h          B.21 utt3:  {D You know, } maybe there is, I don't know. /  

b          A.22 utt1:  Yeah,  /
ba          A.22 utt2: that's true. /  

sv          B.23 utt1:  {C But, } {D you know, } {C and, } {D you know, } he's never going to be, to me, a functioning part of society.  /
sv          B.23 utt2: He's already been {C either } paroled, {C or } whatever, for child molestation. /  

b          A.24 utt1:  Uh-hum. /  

h          B.25 utt1: {E I mean, } I don't know,  /
sv          B.25 utt2: [ I just, + I really ] have a hard time with that because he really sounds like a real sicko.  /
sd          B.25 utt3: {C And, } {D you know, } for the things he's done,  /
h          B.25 utt4: I don't know,  /
sd          B.25 utt5: I guess it's {C either, } {D you know, } put him in jail for the rest of his life, {D you know, } [ {C or } + {C or } ] capital punishment I guess. {D You know } /  

b          A.26 utt1:   # Right.  /
sd^t          A.26 utt2: {D Well } {D you know } #   

%@          B.27 utt1:   # an- <lipsmack> <breathing> and- #   

+          A.28 utt1:   that's true, because {F um } [ m- b- + ]  a lot of {F um } these conversations I've had on this program [ this +   

+@          B.29 utt1:   Uh-huh. /  

+          A.30 utt1:   these ] telephone conversations have revolved around {F um } <lipsmack> criminal   

b          B.31 utt1:   {F Oh, } really. /  

+          A.32 utt1:   {D you know } justice.  /
 b         A.32 utt2: Uh-huh.  /
b^r          A.32 utt3: Uh-huh.  /
sd          A.32 utt4: {C Or } {D whatever }  /
sd(^q)          A.32 utt5: {C and } most of the time I hear myself saying    

x          B.33 utt1:   <Bell>   

+          A.34 utt1:   {D well } {D you know } we don't have enough room left in the jails  /
sd          A.34 utt2: {C and } people crime is still climbing /  

x          B.35 utt1:   <Children>.   

sv          A.36 utt1:   {C and } we need to have different punishments {D you know. } /  

b          B.37 utt1:   Right. /  

sd          A.38 utt1:   {C but } I just am scared of capital punishment,    

b@          B.39 utt1:   Yeah. <breathing>   

+          A.40 utt1:   I guess. /  

+@          B.41 utt1:   {D Well } I can underst- - /
sv          B.41 utt2: {E [ I + I  ] mean } you know there there is always that chance  /
sv          B.41 utt3: {C but } {D you know } I guess to some people it'd almost be better to die to them than to spend life in prison or whatever [ I don't + {E I mean } I don't know ]  /
sv          B.41 utt4: [ {C but } + {F uh, } {D you know, } {C but } ] that would be a situation where if somebody you know was gonna be, {D you know } - /
sv          B.41 utt5: [ [ you + you ] + you ] really throw a lot on the courts, hopefully that they won't do that {D you know } [ for any + for any ] situation really.  /
sv          B.41 utt6: {C But, }  {F uh, } {D you know, } when [ I, +  you ] find somebody just like that situation, {E I mean, } it was disgusting when I read about it today.  /
sv          B.41 utt7: [ {C And, } + {C and } ] when you find someone like that, that you know is guilty, he confessed already to killing eleven --   

b          A.42 utt1:   Uh-huh. /  

+          B.43 utt1:   -- [ [ I, + I'd, ] + {D you know, } I ] guess I have a hard time feeling merciful toward him,  /
%          B.43 utt2: {C and } --   

b          A.44 utt1:  Right. /  

 +@         B.45 utt1:  -- {D you know. }   

^2          A.46 utt1:  Especially when it's so far removed.  /
sv          A.46 utt2:  If it's no one that I know --   

+@          B.47 utt1:  Right. /  

+          A.48 utt1:  -- then you have to think about the taxpayers paying --   

 b         B.49 utt1:  Right. /  

+          A.50 utt1:  -- the shelter and feed and clothe --   

b          B.51 utt1:  Right. /  

+          A.52 utt1:  -- them for the # rest of their life. # /  

sv          B.53 utt1:  # {C And } trying # to rehabilitate him, too,  /
%          B.53 utt2: {C and, }  # {D you know, } # -/  

^2          A.54 utt1:  # Letting him # out again <laughter>. /  

b          B.55 utt1:  Right,  /
aa          B.55 utt2: exactly.  /
sv          B.55 utt3:  {C And, }  {F uh, } {D you know, } nobody wants that. /  

b          A.56 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sv          B.57 utt1:  {D You know, } everybody would be just as scared to death, {D you know. }  /
sd         B.57 utt2: [ We, + we've ] had a real problem here in Texas with, {F uh, } prison overcrowding  /
sd          B.57 utt3: {C and } they've been releasing people left and right  /
sd          B.57 utt4: {C and, } {D you know, } they've committed murders and rapes and everything else,  /
sv          B.57 utt5: {C and, } {D you know, } you just think, {D you know, } where's the justice here. /  

b          A.58 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sv          B.59 utt1:  {E I mean, } {D you know, } they're not even having to serve out what they should be serving. /  

ba          A.60 utt1:  That's true.  /
sd          A.60 utt2:  {D You know, } I just recently moved to Massachusetts.  /
sd          A.60 utt3:  I'm not sure what their policy is on capital punishment  /
sd^t          A.60 utt4: {C and } that was one of the questions  /
sd          A.60 utt5: {C but, }  {F uh, } I do know that they are notorious for paroling <laughter> people. /  

bh          B.61 utt1:  {F Oh, } really? /  

ny          A.62 utt1:  Yeah,  /
%          A.62 utt2: [ when they're, + when, ] - /
sd          A.62 utt3: {C and then } having them reconvicted for --   

b          B.63 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

+          A.64 utt1:  -- violent crimes. /  

b          B.65 utt1:  Yeah. /  

sd^2          A.66 utt1:  {C And, }  I guess, they said, {D you know, } [ sh-, + ] do you think it should be restricted?  /
%          A.66 utt2:  I guess, [ [ if it were, + if, ] + if, ] - /
sv          A.66 utt3: because a lot of states do still practice capital punishment -- /  

b          B.67 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sv          A.68 utt1:  -- I guess violent crimes would be the crimes where I can see it making the most sense. /  

b          B.69 utt1:  Yeah. /  

sv          A.70 utt1:  {D You know, } violent crimes [ with no, + {F uh, } with just ] malicious intent. /  

b          B.71 utt1:  Right,  /
aa          B.71 utt2: exactly.  /
b          B.71 utt3:  Yeah.  /
sv          B.71 utt4:  {D Well, } {D you know, } that's exactly, {E I mean, } [ I'm, + I'm ] not saying [ I, + I ] think [ capital murder + {E or } capital punishment ] is the perfect solution in every case, {D you know, } especially because there are some cases when you just don't know  /
sv          B.71 utt5: {C and } [ I, + I ] think there's [ a, + a ] shadow of a doubt, {D you know, } like with [ this, + this ] guy in, in Milwaukee.  /
%          B.71 utt6:  {E I mean, } it, - /
sd          B.71 utt7: he pretty much confessed to it.  /
%          B.71 utt8: {E I mean, } they, {D you know, } - /
sd          B.71 utt9: just everything, {E I mean, } cannibalism and everything else, {F uh, } /  

b          A.72 utt1:  Yeah. /  

sd@          B.73 utt1:  I really would have a hard time, especially if I was on a jury, not wanting him to, {D you know, } # be executed. #   

 ^2         A.74 utt1:  # Hang? #  <laughter>. /  

+@          B.75 utt1:  Yeah.  /
 sv         B.75 utt2:  Because, {E I mean, } that's just awful. /  

bh          A.76 utt1:  {C And } what is he going to do prison to the other people <laughter>? /  

b          B.77 utt1:  Right.  /
sv          B.77 utt2:  {D Well, } [ I have a hun-, + I have a hunch ] that, {D you know, } the other prisoners aren't going to be too happy with him anyway.  Either,  /
%          B.77 utt3: {E I mean, } {D you know } they, - /
h          B.77 utt4: I don't know,  /
sd          B.77 utt5: [ from, + from ] what I hear about jail life is not any way to live. /  

b          A.78 utt1:  # Right. # /  

%          B.79 utt1:  # {C But, }  # {F uh, } I don't know.  It's just, -/  

sd          A.80 utt1:  {D Well, } [ I was, + I saw ] on a human interest story, or whatever today, there was a woman who was just being paroled and trying to make it back,  /
sd          A.80 utt2: she --   

b          B.81 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

+          A.82 utt1:  -- was off drugs and everything,  /
sd          A.82 utt2: {C but } she said, {F uh, } {D you know, } in prison you can get <sigh> anything.  /
sd          A.82 utt3:  You can any drugs you want.  /
%          A.82 utt4:  There's, - /
sd          A.82 utt5: [ it, + it's ] just like being outside.  /
sd          A.82 utt6:  {D You know, } people --   

b          B.83 utt1:  # Really. # /  

+          A.84 utt1:  -- # find ways # around.  /
sd          A.84 utt2:  {C And } there's a power structure that you have bow to  /
sd          A.84 utt3: [ {C and, } + {C and, } ] [ it really isn't, + for some people [ tha-, + ] who have been there for over, and over, and over, it really isn't, ] {F uh, } as bad.  /
%          A.84 utt4:  {E I mean, } there's, - /
sv          A.84 utt5: it's not that bad of a life as it should be --   

b          B.85 utt1:  Yeah. /  

+          A.86 utt1:  -- [ b-, + ] for the punishment aspect. /  

b          B.87 utt1:  Yeah. /  

sv          A.88 utt1:  {C But } the society is turned against punishment and more towards rehabilitation  /
sv          A.88 utt2: {C and } <swallowing> --   

b          B.89 utt1:  Yeah.  /
%          B.89 utt2:  # That, # -/  

+          A.90 utt1:  -- # maybe # that's [ why, + one of the reasons why ] crime has gone up, because it's not so scary anymore. /  

b          B.91 utt1:  Yeah.  /
sd          B.91 utt2:  {D Well, } {D you know, } especially like repeat offenders.  /
sd          B.91 utt3: [  It, + it ] just appalls me that [ they can be out, +  {D you know, } they even get ] a ten year sentence and be out in, in two, or three, or four years.  /
sd          B.91 utt4: {D You know, } [ that's, + that's ] scary because, {D you know, } I'm not sure, I think we're paroling them without even knowing if they're, {D you know, } going to be committing any more violent acts or not. /  

b          A.92 utt1:  Right.  /
^2            A.92 utt2:  {C And } what they're going to be doing when they --   

b          B.93 utt1:  Right. /  

+          A.94 utt1:  -- get out <laughter>. /  

sv          B.95 utt1: {C And, } [ [ it, + it's, ] + it's ] really scary <children>.  /
%          B.95 utt2: I me-, {D you know, } - /
h          B.95 utt3: [ I, + I ] don't know what the perfect solution to that is  /
sv         B.95 utt4: {C but } I know that especially with violent crimes where, {D you know, } you're nearly a hundred percent <children> convinced that they're guilty and without much repentance or anything else, {D you know, } then, I don't know, [ I, + I ] guess, [ I, + I ] just really don't see much use for this guy in Milwaukee, {D you know. }  /
%          B.95 utt5: For instance, {E I mean, } that's just, - /
sv          B.95 utt6: I could see capital punishment in a case like that.  And, {D you know, } [ for, + for ] other people, too, that do things, like that.  /
%          B.95 utt7: {C But, } {F uh, } when, - /
sv^t          B.95 utt8: {F uh, } my wife and I are both participating in this survey  /
sd          B.95 utt9: {C and } she picked up the phone  /
sd^t          B.95 utt10: {C and } when she <laughter> heard the topic, she said, capital punishment,  /
%          B.95 utt11: {C so } she was, {F uh, } -/  

qy^d          @@A.96 utt1:  Handed it to you? <laughter> /  

ny          B.97 utt1:  Yeah,  /
sd^t          B.97 utt2: <laughter> {D well } luckily it was for me.  Because [ [ they want, + th-, ] + they ] coordinate the times so it can,   

 x         A.98 utt1:  <Cough> <<in background>>.   

+          B.99 utt1:  only be one or the other. /  

b          A.100 utt1:  {F Oh, } {F oh, } I see. /  

sd^t          B.101 utt1:  {C So, }  she tried to enter her number  /
sd^t          B.101 utt2: {C and } it wouldn't work  /
sd(^q)^t         B.101 utt3: {C so } she said, whew,  it's for you. /  

x          A.102 utt1:  <Laughter>.   

h          B.103 utt1:  [ {C So, } + {C but, } ] {F uh, } {D you know, } I don't know,  /
sd          B.103 utt2: [ I, + I ] struggle with it,  /
sv          B.103 utt3: {C but } [ I, + I ] really think that [ in, + in ] terms of {D like } this, [ I'd, + I  ] think that [ it, + it ] might not be <noise> such a bad thing.  Because, [ I don't know that anybody, + [ w-, + ] [ in-, + ] I don't know that anybody ] would feel good, {D you know, } {D like } if you let someone like that loose in your community.  /
%          B.103 utt4:  {D You know, } [ [ I, + I, ] + I'm ] su-, - /
sv          B.103 utt5: you'd have to be scared to death  </static>. /  

sv          A.104 utt1:  {D Well, }  maybe if they could, {F uh, } - /
sv          A.104 utt2: if they had  more money or [ more, + more ] resources to <noise> work more on rehabilitation, - /
sv          A.104 utt3: {E I mean, } deep down I think [ every, + every ] human <static>, -/ 
