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FILENAME:	3509_1389_1438
TOPIC#:		322
DATE:		911211
TRANSCRIBER:	glp
UTT_CODER:		AEE
DIFFICULTY:	4
TOPICALITY:	1
NATURALNESS:	3
ECHO_FROM_B:	1
ECHO_FROM_A:	3
STATIC_ON_A:	2
STATIC_ON_B:	1
BACKGROUND_A:	1
BACKGROUND_B:	1
REMARKS:        Speaker B was extremely soft spoken, making it very
difficult to hear him.

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qo          A.1 utt1:  {D So, }   how do you feel about capital punishment? /  

sd          B.2 utt1:  {D Well, } [ [ I, + I'm ] not really certain how  I, + {F uh, } I'm   not certain [ that, + that ]   it ] does a lot of good.  {E I mean, } that it [ ends up, + ends up ] effectively, {F uh, } {F uh, } {F uh, } avoiding a lot of the crimes that have capital [ punishment -- +   

b          A.3 utt1:  Right,  /
%          A.3 utt2: # you don't think, # -/  

+          B.4 utt1:  -- # penalties. # ]  /
h          B.4 utt2:  Yet, on the other hand, {F uh, } I don't know,  /
%          B.4 utt3: {E I mean, } there is things that <laughter> - /
sv          B.4 utt4: seems like [ [ it's, + it's, ] + it's ] the right thing to do.  /
sv          B.4 utt5: {D Now, } {D you know, } {E I mean } [ somebody, + a [ [ s-, + s-, ] + serial ]  killer or somebody  ] goes in and  machine guns, {D you know, } [ fifty, + fifty ] children in a school yard,  /
%          B.4 utt6: you kind of, - /
h          B.4 utt7: I don't know.  /
qo          B.4 utt8: What about yourself? /  

sd          A.5 utt1: [ I, + {F uh, } I ] have the same dilemma,  I think.  {F Uh, }  /
sv          A.5 utt2: [ it's, + {D you know, } it ]  seems right sometimes  /
sv          A.5 utt3: {C and then } other times, you don't know. /  

b          B.6 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

b          A.7 utt1:  {F Uh, } /  

%          B.8 utt1:  {E I mean, } people, {D like, } - /
%          B.8 utt2:  I, - /
%          B.8 utt3: it's  been, - /
sv          B.8 utt4: {E I mean, } {D like } the Arab societies and  stuff end up, {F uh, } having <throat_clearing> [ [ e-, + effective, ] + effective ] punishments  /
sv          B.8 utt5: [ {C and, } +  {C and } ] they're extremely severe.   /
sv          B.8 utt6: {F Uh, }  [ I, + {D you know, } I ] think to a certain degree, the reason that [ it, + it ] doesn't serve as a deterrent, {F uh, } may be because [ y-, + you ] never know if it's going to be [ a-, + applied. ]   Right,  /
sv          B.8 utt7:  [ [ un-, + unlike,  ] +  {F uh, }  like ] [ in, + in ] Arab societies.   If you [ get, + get ] caught stealing, they chop off your hand  /
sv          B.8 utt8: [ {C and } -- +   

b          A.9 utt1:  # Right. # /  

+          B.10 utt1:  -- # {C and } ] you walk around # the rest of your life with one hand  /
sv          B.10 utt2: {C and } everybody knows exactly [ what, +  what ] for. /  

b          A.11 utt1:  # Right. # /  

sv          B.12 utt1:  # {F Uh, } # [ {C and, } + {D you know, } {C and } ]  here, with our court system [ and, + and ] ways of sort of screwing it around and stuff [ you can, + you can ]  kind of always count on the fact, - /
sv          B.12 utt2: [ {C or, } +  {C or  } ] there is a good chance you're going to get off. /  

aa          A.13 utt1:  Uh-huh.  /
sv          A.13 utt2:  {C And } also, it doesn't seem like it does that many harm,  /
sv          A.13 utt3: {E I mean, } sure, their life is taken,  /
sv          A.13 utt4: {C but } they'd spend the rest of their life in jail anyway,  /
sv          A.13 utt5: {C so } --   

b@          B.14 utt1:  Uh-huh.   

+          A.15 utt1:  -- I think sometimes they'd prefer just to get it over with  /
sv          A.15 utt2: {C so } it's more of the easy way out than --   

+@          B.16 utt1:  Yeah,  /
%          B.16 utt2: some people, -/  

+          A.17 utt1:  -- making them pay    [ for the con-,   for [ the -- +     

b          B.18 utt1:  Yeah. /  

+          A.19 utt1:  -- {D you know, } what they've done.  ]  ]  /  

sv          B.20 utt1:  Except that, {E I mean, } [  the, + the ]  average cost <throat_clearing> [ to si-, + <lipsmack> to society ] of having somebody in jail for all their life [ is, + is ] extremely high.   {E I mean, } {A something, [ I, + I ] was amazed at. }  {F Uh, } {F uh, }  per year,  /
sd          B.20 utt2: it's something like twenty thousand dollars per inmate per year.    

b          A.21 utt1:  Yeah. /  

+          B.22 utt1:  To keep people in jail.  /
sv          B.22 utt2: {F Uh, } {D you know, }  {C and } it's [ sort of a + <laughter>, sort of a ]  crass perspective <laughter> --   

b          A.23 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

+          B.24 utt1:  -- on the usage of capital punishment,  /
sd          B.24 utt2: {C but } on the other hand, {F uh, } {F uh, } {D you know, } [ I don't, + I don't ]  know if [ [ it's +  that is, ] + that is ] that serious that they're really never going to be out of jail, {F uh } ... /  

aa          A.25 utt1:  Right,  /
sd          A.25 utt2: {C but } then again, also, you can't bring back lives that have been taken anyway,  /
%          A.25 utt3: {C so } --   

b          B.26 utt1:  Uh-huh <<faint>>. /  

+          A.27 utt1:  -- {F uh, }   it's, - /
%          A.27 utt2: it doesn't, - /
%          A.27 utt3: it seems [ by, + that by,  ] - /
h          A.27 utt4:   I don't know,  /
%          A.27 utt5: doesn't ever really, [ p-, + ] {F uh } ... -/  

aa          B.28 utt1:  {F Oh, } I know,  /
%          B.28 utt2: {E I mean, }  you  can't, - /
sv          B.28 utt3: [ it doesn't, +     

b          A.29 utt1:   # Yeah. # /  

+          B.30 utt1:  [ # Taking # , + taking ] one more life [ [ doesn't, + doesn't, ] + doesn't ]  ]  [ re-, + ] # get things back the way they were, right. # /  

aa          A.31 utt1:  # Right.  /
aa          A.31 utt2:  It doesn't bring back every, # -/  

b          B.32 utt1:  Yeah,  /
h          B.32 utt2: [  [ I don't know, + [ I, + I ] don't, ] + I really don't know, ] {F uh, } /  

qw          A.33 utt1:  What state are you in? /  

sd          B.34 utt1:  I'm in Texas. /  

bh          A.35 utt1:  {F Oh, } really? /  

%          B.36 utt1: [ W-, + w-, ] -/  

qy          A.37 utt1:  In Dallas? /  

nn          B.38 utt1:  No,  /
sd^e          B.38 utt2: I'm in Austin. /  

bh          A.39 utt1:  {F Oh, } really? /  

qw          B.40 utt1:  [ Where, + where ] are you calling from? /  

sd          A.41 utt1:  {F Uh, } right now I'm in Utah,  /
sd          A.41 utt2: {C but } I'm from Plano, Texas. /  

bk          B.42 utt1:  {F Oh, } I see,  /
%          B.42 utt2: uh-huh. /  

qw          A.43 utt1:  {D So, } {F uh, } {F uh, } what are the laws like in Texas? /  

%          B.44 utt1:  [ It's, + Texas ] [ [ is, + has, ] + is ] [ one of the, + one of the ] s-,  {D well, } - /
sd          B.44 utt2: I guess there is more and more states [ that are, + that are ]  going back to capital punishment.  /
sd          B.44 utt3: {F Uh, }  Texas has had it for a while.  /
sd          B.44 utt4: It's one of the quickest,  /
%          B.44 utt5:  [ it, + it, ] - /
sd          B.44 utt6: once [ it was, + it was ] reallowed, - /
sd          B.44 utt7: I think it was outlawed for a while,  [ but, + ]    {F uh, } by the supreme court, {E I mean, } or, the interpretation of the constitution  /
sd          B.44 utt8: {C and } it seems like  everybody stopped  /
sd          B.44 utt9: [ {C and then, } + {C and then } ]  once they sort of reallowed it, Texas was one of the first [ to, {F uh, } + to ] actually, {F uh, } implement it again. /  

bh          A.45 utt1:  {F Oh, } really? /  

sd          B.46 utt1:  They [ do it [ by, +  {F uh, } by, ] + do it by ] lethal injection. /  

b          A.47 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          B.48 utt1:  {F Uh, } I'm originally from Kansas  /
sd          B.48 utt2: {C and } in Kansas also, {F uh, } [ they, + they ] almost immediately put back capital punishment  /
sd          B.48 utt3: {C and, }  {F uh, } there they do it by hanging. /  

ba          A.49 utt1:  Wow. /  

%          B.50 utt1:  Still, {F uh, } they have, - /
sd          B.50 utt2: I still remember [ [ the, + the, ] + the ]  movie, {F uh, } IN COLD BLOOD.  /
qy^d          B.50 utt3: I don't know if you've ever, - /
qy^d          B.50 utt4:  I'm sure you're familiar with it,  /
qy          B.50 utt5: {C but, } have you seen the movie? /  

ng          A.51 utt1:  I haven't,  /
nn          A.51 utt2: no. /  

b          B.52 utt1:  Yeah.   /
sd          B.52 utt2: That way. /  

qy          A.53 utt1:  {C And } they do it that way? /  

ny          B.54 utt1:  Yeah,  /
sd^e          B.54 utt2: {D well, } [ they, + they ]  show it,  /
%          B.54 utt3: [ not, + not, ] - /
sd          B.54 utt4: {E I mean, } [ the, + the ] movie was made in, like, nineteen sixty-two or something like that -- /  

b          A.55 utt1:  Huh. /  

sd          B.56 utt1:  -- {C and so } [ it's, + {F uh, } it's ]  not particularly graphic,  /
sd          B.56 utt2: {C but } on the other hand [ it's, + it's ] fairly impressive to watch them, {D you know, } walk into the room with gallows.  /
sd          B.56 utt3: It's kind of a barn like structure. /  

ba          A.57 utt1:  Wow.  /
sd          A.57 utt2:  I think they're there,  /
sd          A.57 utt3:  I think that capital punishment [ is, + is, ] {F uh, } [ in t-, + in Utah ] also.  /
sd          A.57 utt4:  I'm not really familiar. /  

bh          B.58 utt1:  Is that right?  /
qy          B.58 utt2: Are you there in school? /  

ny          A.59 utt1:  Yeah,  /
sd^e          A.59 utt2: # I am. # /  

b          B.60 utt1:  # Yeah. # /  

%          A.61 utt1: [ {C So, } + {C but } ]  I think they d-, - /
sd          A.61 utt2: a long time ago, {A [ I, + I ]  remember my dad was telling me this, }  I think, that, {F uh, } they do it by, like, a bunch of men have guns  /
sd          A.61 utt3: {C and } one of them has the real gun in it. /  

b          B.62 utt1:  # Uh-huh,  /
%          B.62 utt2: [ has, + has ] a, - /
%          B.62 utt3: yeah. # /  

sd          A.63 utt1:  # {C So } they don't know who killed, # -/  

qy^d          B.64 utt1:  Has a real bullets - /
qy^d          B.64 utt2: {C and } the rest of them have blanks? /  

na          A.65 utt1:  Right. /  

b          B.66 utt1:  Yeah,  /
sd          B.66 utt2: [ I, + I ] certainly wouldn't want to be the executioner,  /
aa          B.66 utt3: I know that <laughter>. /  

b          A.67 utt1:  Yeah,  /
aa          A.67 utt2: no. /  

sd          B.68 utt1:  I've always said that [ if I, + if I ]  had to kill and clean and do [ my own, + my own ] meat, I think I'd become a vegetarian. /  

aa          A.69 utt1:  <Laughter>.  I know. /  

sv          B.70 utt1:  As long as you're sort of safely removed from it, it [ seems, + seems ] not [ so, +  so ] bad, I guess. / 
