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FILENAME:	2634_1110_1122
TOPIC#:		314
DATE:		910422
TRANSCRIBER:	KVA
UTT_CODER:		AEE
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TOPICALITY:	2
NATURALNESS:	1
ECHO_FROM_B:	2
ECHO_FROM_A:	2
STATIC_ON_A:	2
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BACKGROUND_A:	2
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REMARKS:        Nothing unusual.

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sd          A.1 utt1: {D Well, } {F um, } I'm, {F uh, } pretty pro gun control over all.  /
sd          A.1 utt2: [ I, + {F uh, } I've ] had a lot of arguments with people about the issue of gun control  /
sd          A.1 utt3: {C and, } {F uh, } I must say that there are a couple of arguments against, {F uh, } strong gun control which I find very compelling,  although most the people who argue gun control with me I find, {F uh, } use sort of canned arguments, {D you know, } sort of the N R A slogan arguments  /
sd          A.1 utt4: {C and, } {F um, } {F uh, } {D see } I've been very frustrated when I do debate with people about it.  {F Um, }  /
sd          A.1 utt5: I guess on [ a one, + a scale ] of one of ten I'm probably around a two in terms of fair restricting guns  /
sd          A.1 utt6: {C and } I have to admit most of that is, {F uh, } strong personal distaste.  /
sd         A.1 utt7: I don't like the idea of people being able to kill me with very little effort.  {F Um, }  /
sd          A.1 utt8: {C and, } {F uh, } guns are very symbolic of them having that power over me. /  

sd          B.2 utt1:  {D Well, } me being from Texas <laughter>, -/  

b          A.3 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

qy^d          B.4 utt1:  I hope you're ready for this. /  

na          A.5 utt1:  {F Um, } {F uh, } I'll give it a try.  /
sd          A.5 utt2:   I've got my Texan stereotypes in place. /  

sd          B.6 utt1:  {D Well, } I'm not your stereotypical Texan.  /
sd          B.6 utt2:   I was raised around guns, hunting. /  

b          A.7 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          B.8 utt1:  <Smack>  {C So } I don't have a fear of fire arms in any respect. /  

b          A.9 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          B.10 utt1: [ I resp-, + I respect ] them and what their capabilities are. /  

b          A.11 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          B.12 utt1:  {C And } on top of that spending a good portion of my earlier years in the military, as a Green Beret, I definitely respect the power of weaponry. /  

b          A.13 utt1:  Uh-huh.  /
qy^g          A.13 utt2: It's pretty power isn't it <laughter>? /  

sd          B.14 utt1: {C And } here in Houston, as well as just about any big city anywhere across this country, - /
^h          B.14 utt2: {C and } [ [ here, + here, ] + here ] you go,  /
%          B.14 utt3: here you, - /
sd          B.14 utt4: this will be border line N R A which I am not a member of. /  

b          A.15 utt1:  Okay.  /
b^r          A.15 utt2:  Okay. /  

qy^d          B.16 utt1:  When [ you, + {E I mean, } you've ]  heard [ the, + the ] slogan,  {F um, } if you outlaw guns then only out laws will have guns. /  

ny          A.17 utt1:  Uh-huh.  /
sv(^q)          A.17 utt2:  That applies to anything as well as guns.   /
%          A.17 utt3: ((   ))  a gun. -/  

%          B.18 utt1:  {D Well, } [ you, + you've ] got, - /
sv          B.18 utt2: {D well, } any of the big cities you've got the different rival gangs  /
sv          B.18 utt3: {C and } they're having their little turf wars over their little drug kingdoms and such, /  

b          A.19 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sv          B.20 utt1:  {C And } they get out their little Mac tens,  /
sv          B.20 utt2:  they get out there little uzis  /
sv          B.20 utt3: {C and } they're going to fight with them.  /
sv          B.20 utt4: {C And } it doesn't matter what restrictions you put on that type of weapon or a class three firearm.  /
sv          B.20 utt5:  If they want it they'll get it.  /
sv          B.20 utt6:  I don't care [ if, + if ]  they've got to go down into New Mexico to get it  /
sv          B.20 utt7: they'll get it  /
sv          B.20 utt8: {C and } they'll get across the border.  /
sd          B.20 utt9:   {D Now } my position, although, I have absolutely no use for a fully automatic weapon,   

b          A.21 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

+          B.22 utt1:  anyway.  /
sv          B.22 utt2:   Since I am a law-abiding citizen and I have never had a felony, if I wanted to buy one, I don't think there should be that big of a restriction on it.  /
sd          B.22 utt3:  If they want to run a background check on me, fine.  /
sd          B.22 utt4: If they want to put a seven day waiting period, fine, again. /  

b          A.23 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          B.24 utt1:  If they [ want, + want ]  me to present a letter from my county sheriff saying that I've got his permission to have an automatic weapon in his county, that's fine too. /  

b          A.25 utt1:  Uh-huh.  /
b^r          A.25 utt2: Uh-huh.  /
sv          A.25 utt3: What I don't gets dangerous in terms of civil liberties because pretty soon [ it's + <laughter> it ]  wouldn't, - /
sv          A.25 utt4: you don't want to have someone making a personal trust in that way, I would hope.   {E I mean, } because {E I  mean } someone - /
sd          A.25 utt5: the personal sheriff [ doesn't like + doesn't  ] get to have  a gun  /
%          A.25 utt6: {C and }  someone the personal sheriff, -/  

%          B.26 utt1:  {D Well, } -/  

x          A.27 utt1:   ((   )) ,    

sv(^q)          B.28 utt1:  [ the only, + {D well, } the criteria ]  the sheriff would have to follow  [ has, + is ] this guy a convicted felon?  {F Uh, }  /
^q          B.28 utt2: is he a habitual trouble maker?  /
^q          B.28 utt3: Are we picking him up every Saturday,    

b          A.29 utt1:  Yeah. /  

+          B.30 utt1:  for a drunk  and disorderly  /
^q          B.30 utt2: {C and } if he had an automatic weapon could he really be raising some problems.  /
sv          B.30 utt3: {D You know, }  just proving that you're a basically a good citizen. -/  

sv          A.31 utt1:  {C But } [ if you're not a, + if you're not a ]  basically good citizen, - /
sv          A.31 utt2: you just told me that you're going to get one of those guns anyway. /  

sv          B.32 utt1:  [ If, + if ] they want the firepower they can get it. /  

%          A.33 utt1:  {C So } why hav-, -/  

sv          B.34 utt1:  because it doesn't matter how restrictive you're border control points are  /
sv          B.34 utt2: they'll get it across the border one way or the other. /  

qh          A.35 utt1:  {C So } why have any restrictions at all? /  

b          B.36 utt1:  {F Uh, } okay.  /
%          B.36 utt2: Let-, - /
ad          B.36 utt3: go back to that one to ten scale where one,   

x          A.37 utt1:  <Laughter>.   

+          B.38 utt1:  being,   

x          A.39 utt1:  <Laughter>.   

+          B.40 utt1:  full gun control,   

b          A.41 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

+          B.42 utt1:  ten being none. /  

b          A.43 utt1:  Yeah. /  

sd          B.44 utt1:  I'd said about an eight. /  

b          A.45 utt1:  Uh-huh.  /
b^r          A.45 utt2:  Uh-huh.  /
%          A.45 utt3: {D Well, } we [ can + could ] be, -/  

sd          B.46 utt1:  I said the restrictions I would like to see [ on, +  for ] anybody, whether it being for handgun, a rifle, a shotgun, - /
sd          B.46 utt2: I would like to see them go through either,  /
sd          B.46 utt3: I'd like to see a law enforcement agency, not N R A,  /
sv          B.46 utt4: {C but } whether it be [ the, + your ] state police or your county police for you to be able purchase a handgun.  /
sv          B.46 utt5:  You got to go through there course and get certified that you know how to properly handle the weapon, how to safely handle the weapon, how to properly maintain it, the three basics. /  

aa          A.47 utt1:  {D Well, } that makes a lot of since to me.  /
sv          A.47 utt2:  {E I mean, } I certainly feel that [ if, + if, ] we may disagree on when someone should own a fire arm  /
aa          A.47 utt3: {C but, }  {F uh, } I certainly agree that if someone owns a fire arm that have as much responsibility to know how do, use it safely as someone learns how to drive, if not more so. /  

%          B.48 utt1:  {D Well, }  the han-, - /
sv          B.48 utt2: in the hands of the wrong person the car can be just as deadly as the weapon,   

b          A.49 utt1:  Yeah <laughter>. /  

+          B.50 utt1:  [ as a, + as a ] pistol. /  

sd          A.51 utt1:  {D Well, } I have a bicycle <laughter>  /
sd          A.51 utt2: {C and } that scares me too to tell you the truth <laughter> because I've been run off the road and all sorts of things.  /
qw          A.51 utt3: {D Well, } [ I'm still, + I'm still ]  puzzled though, what is the argument,  /
qw          A.51 utt4: how does the argument work [ if, + {F uh, } if ] the bad guys are  going to have guns anyway.  /
qw          A.51 utt5:  What's the point of putting  a restrictio-,  /
sv          A.51 utt6: basically, the restrictions are just to penalize the good guys because the bad guys are going to get the guns anyway  /
sv          A.51 utt7: they're not going to take those courses.  /
qy          A.51 utt8: [  Is it, + {F uh, } is it ] a way of raising the prices of illegal guns? /  

%          B.52 utt1:  {D Well } there's, -/  

sv          A.53 utt1:  If it's not going to cut the supply of illegal guns it must going to at least raise the prices  /
qy          A.53 utt2: does that, {F uh, } mean advantage? /  

ng          B.54 utt1:  {F Uh, } not necessarily a price thing.  /
sd          B.54 utt2:   What is happening at least in this state - /
sv          B.54 utt3: {C and } I expect to see it in other states very soon,  /
sd          B.54 utt4: legislation been introduced [ as + ] that, if a citizen of the state, being,   

b          A.55 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

+          B.56 utt1:  myself, has not committed a felony and has completed a certified weapons course,  I can carry a weapon on me at all times concealed or uncon-, unconcealed. /  

b          A.57 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

b          B.58 utt1:  Okay.  /
qy^g          B.58 utt2: [ [  You, + you're, ] + you're ] from California, right? /  

ny          A.59 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

qy          B.60 utt1:  L A area? /  

nn          A.61 utt1:  {F Uh, } no.  /
sd^e          A.61 utt2:  Bay area.  /
sd          A.61 utt3:  San Francisco,   

bk          B.62 utt1:  Okay. /  

+          A.63 utt1:  Bay area. /  

bk          B.64 utt1:  Okay.  /
qy          B.64 utt2: You've been to the city? /  

ny          A.65 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sv          B.66 utt1:  {C And } all these people come around,  /
sv          B.66 utt2: someone attempts to mug me I would ju-, - /
%          B.66 utt3: I would, - /
sd          B.66 utt4: as it stands now if he pulls a blade on me we're equally matched because I can meet him blade for blade. /  

b          A.67 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          B.68 utt1:  {D Now } if this legislation comes through,  /
%          B.68 utt2:  he pull-, - /
sd          B.68 utt3: I'm out with my family -- /  

b          A.69 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          B.70 utt1:  -- we've gone shopping,  /
sd          B.70 utt2: we're fixing to get in the car,  /
sd          B.70 utt3: this guy comes up,  /
sd          B.70 utt4: he pulls a blade on me.  /
sd          B.70 utt5:  I can pull a gun on him now.  /
sv          B.70 utt6:  [ When you're, + {C and } when you're ] looking down the barrel of a hand cannon things change real quick. /  

qw          A.71 utt1: What if you're looking down the barrel of a hand cannon? /  

sv          B.72 utt1:  Then it's still equally matched.  /
sd          B.72 utt2: [ Having, +   

%          A.73 utt1:  I, -/  

+          B.74 utt1:  having ] spent time in combat [ I feel, +   

b          A.75 utt1:  Yeah. /  

+          B.76 utt1:  I feel ] it before they'll get the gun on me. /  

%          A.77 utt1:  {D Well, } -/  

sd          B.78 utt1:  If I'm,   

b          A.79 utt1:  [ I'm, + I'm ] sure, /  

+          B.80 utt1:   ((   ))  at the same,   

sv          A.81 utt1:  I'm sure [ given all, +    

+          B.82 utt1:  time. -/  

+          A.83 utt1: given all ] your training I'm sure that, {D you know, } you'd, - /
sd          A.83 utt2:  <laughter> if I walk into a bad neighborhood I'm sure I'd want to walk through with you because I'm sure you have [ [ good, + {D you know, } fa-, ] + far ] above the average instinct for how to use guns and how to use them effectively and everything.  /
sv          A.83 utt3: {F Um, } I'm, quite concerned that if you let everyone - /
sv          A.83 utt4: [ hasn't yet used a gun in a, + [ haven't, + hasn't ] yet committed a felony, ] - /
sv          A.83 utt5: if you let them all walk around carrying guns - /
sv          A.83 utt6:  in this sort of wild west scenario, you're going to get an awful lot of people shooting guns pretty quickly just given human nature.  /
sv          A.83 utt7: You're going to start getting a lot of gunfire.  /
sd          A.83 utt8: [ It's, + it's ] hard for me to imagine that [ a, + a ] situation of, {D you know, } - /
ad          A.83 utt9: take it to a logical extreme,  /
sv          A.83 utt10: if everyone walking around carrying a guns you're not going to have an increase in gunfire. /  

%          B.84 utt1: [ I, + {D actually } it's ] no-, - /
sv          B.84 utt2: it's more of a police action in itself,  /
sv(^q)          B.84 utt3: the fact that everybody is packing a piece is a deterrence for someone saying, {D well, } I'm going to mug this guy right here  /
^q          B.84 utt4: {C but } hey, he's carrying just as much firepower as I can.  /
sv          B.84 utt5:  {C And } if they're sca-, if you got to go through a certification course to get [ where, + to where ] you can carry it in public,   

b          A.85 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

+          B.86 utt1:  then this individual also knows this guys pretty good with it.  /
sv          B.86 utt2:  {D Now } whether this person is made the moral decision whether he can take another human life or not,   

b          A.87 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

+          B.88 utt1:  that's another trip, /  

b          A.89 utt1:  Uh-huh /  

%          B.90 utt1:  {C but. } -/  

b          A.91 utt1:  Uh-huh.  /
b^r          A.91 utt2:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          B.92 utt1: In defense of myself, defense of my family or defense of my friends I can blow somebody a way in a heart beat.   

b          A.93 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

+          B.94 utt1: [  Even, + even ] more so when it comes to [ my, +  my ] wife and son. /  

b          A.95 utt1:  Yeah, /  

sv          B.96 utt1:  [ Anybody, +    

ba          A.97 utt1:  I know, /  

+          B.98 utt1:  anybody ] tries to hurt them I won't even blink, /  

aa          A.99 utt1:  No.  /
ba          A.99 utt2: [ I, + I ] understand that.  /
qw          A.99 utt3: [ What if, + {F uh, } what if ] you think someone's trying to hurt them  and you make a mistake? /  

sv          B.100 utt1:  [ This, + this ] is where the question of gun control comes in. /  

aa          A.101 utt1:  Yeah.  /
sd^t          A.101 utt2: {D Well, } {F uh, } [ that, +    

sv          B.102 utt1:  What,   

+          A.103 utt1:  that ] was the topic. /  

+          B.104 utt1:  I consider gun control is being able to hit my target with the first shot. /  

b          A.105 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

%          B.106 utt1:  Say a person, {F uh, } {F uh, } get, - /
sd          B.106 utt2: all of a sudden my combat in me goes up  /
sd          B.106 utt3: {C and } say I've got the vibes,  this guys fixing to do something,  /
sd          B.106 utt4: I go ahead and pull my piece. /  

b          A.107 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sd          B.108 utt1:  {C And } I make sure this persons sees it so that he's got now   doubt that I will use it on him  /
sd          B.108 utt2: {C and } I will use it right then. /  

b          A.109 utt1:  Uh-huh. /  

sv(^q)          B.110 utt1:  If he doesn't back-up   at that point he deserves what he gets because I have sent the clearest signal you mess with me, you mess with my family, I'm going to dust you.  /
sd          B.110 utt2: As it stands now I've got to do that with a blade.  /
sd          B.110 utt3: {C And } the only reason I feel [ [ [ confid-, + com-, ] + com-, ] + comfortable ] doing that is because of the training I've had. /  

b          A.111 utt1:  Uh-huh.  /
b^r          A.111 utt2: Uh-huh.  /
sd          A.111 utt3:  {D Well } [ as, + as ] someone who [ would, + would ] possibly be in the role of an independent bystander, I feel more comfortable with people having blades because, {F uh, } you're not going to get <breathing> bullets flying around killing people instantly  /
%          A.111 utt4: {C and, }  {F uh, } -/  

sd          B.112 utt1:  {D Well, } if I'm the one doing the shooting I don't miss.  /
sd          B.112 utt2:  That's the kind of training I've had.  /
%          B.112 utt3:  {E I mean } ... -/ 
